An Anonymous Blogger has been doing some homework on the Town's financial condition and has submitted the following for the edification of the Town's pocketbooks. Everybody REALLY needs to put their thinking caps on and read this:
"Maybe the recent media reports about East Greenbush following Detroit into bankruptcy have you wondering, "How could this be happening? Why haven't I heard anything before now?" Truth be told, this situation did not emerge from a vacuum, nor should you be surprised. What we're seeing is merely the bitter end to many years of foolish money games the town has played with our tax dollars. Would you believe that the accounting firm we contracted with in April of 2011 still can't come up with a successful audit of our 2010 books? Would you believe that we recently had to contract with the Town's old accounting firm to help the new accounting firm get a handle on what happened three years ago? Would you believe that the cost for this audit is now up to more than $70,000 between the two firms? Why? Because, as documented by the State Comptroller's audit, a private UHY LLP accounting audit, a Moody's Investor Services bond rating report, a Standard and Poor's bond rating report, and FAMI's (Fiscal Advisers and Marketing, Inc.) report...the people we pay to run our town have been squandering the money on themselves, their friends, and on bankrupt or non-existent policies. See, the game is rigged. The left wing of Town politics is in bed with Albany and the State; the right wing is in bed with Troy and the County. Unfortunately, the County is also in bed with the State. That leaves East Greenbush taxpayers sleeping on the floor because the politicians know that you probably aren't going to make a big deal about it. Or are you? See, we deserve better. We're a nice town and a nice place to live. What follows are merely a few telling snippets of truth about who we are, as seen by professional outsiders and unprofessional insiders. In all honesty, there seem to be precious few "good guys" in any of this. But you decide... Town Board Resolution 31-2010, dated 1/13/10, really got the ball rolling after a series of politically damaging and embarrassing financial revelations and rumors. The resolution authorized Scott, Stackrow P.C. to perform a 2009 audit of the Town's books and put all this rumor-mongering behind us. All council members voted yes. Scott, Stackrow subsequently must have voted NO on the project, however, because it wasn't until June that we suckered another firm into trying to clean up our financial mess. We got off to another false start with Resolution 40-2010, February 2010. Too bad it was tabled because it would have contracted BST Valuation and Litigation Advisers, LLC to prepare our 2009 AUD, or Annual Update Document, and begin phase 1 of a forensic audit to determine exactly where our money was going. It never happened. The Town Board was afraid of what would happen if you knew. It should not have been tabled, especially since February 2010 would be the last meeting of a full 5-member Town Board for the remainder of the year. By the following month a Democrat "double-dipper" lawsuit had prevailed, and council members Cristo and Danaher were no longer able to serve on the Town Board. Resolution 51-2010 that same night authorized BST to prepare just the AUD, with no forensic audit involved. In other words, "Tell the State what we have to under the law, but keep the truth under wraps." We just reported a bunch of numbers and hoped for the best. We're still paying for that failed hope. See OSC's audit results below. Also in early 2010, after having our bond rating fall into "junk bond" status, the Town engaged Fiscal Advisers and Marketing, Inc., a private financial advisement company, to give us a snapshot of where we'd been, where we are, and where we need to be. As part of their background information they included the Moody's downgrade report, pointing in particular to a ridiculous statement we made to the Moody's analysts: "The most concerning factor for the Moody's analysts was the Town's absence of a plan to stabilize operations... The Town stated that its only plan was to 'wait for the economy to turn around.'" That's the best we could come up with?
Our budgets- pitiful: "When comparing the 2008 budget to the actual results, we found that the Town was over $808,000 off in the budget projections. Revenues came in $178,000 below budget and expenditures came in $630,000 above budget. The result is that the General Fund deficit doubled to $1.68 million." Close enough for government work, yes? "The Town must reverse the damage that has been done to General Fund operations, and the Town's creditworthiness." Their first recommendation? Get an independent accounting firm to prepare our annual financial statements. Well, we tried that, but our records are so fouled that two and a half years later we're still waiting to see what happened, and we've had to bring in a second accounting firm to help us make sense of it all. And no, they're not doing it for free. We're paying about $30,000 more than expected for this independent audit. As for the nine other recommendations? I doubt we've managed to do two of them. Resolution 99-2010 of May 2010's "rump board," brought by council member Matters and seconded by council member O'Brien, authorized the Town to contact the State Comptroller's office to get a legal opinion on the practice of questionable payments to town officials above and beyond their authorized salary (stipends, sick leave incentives, longevity pay). OSC did their review and condemned all three practices, but almost $200,000 of your money was effectively stolen by then. Sorry. In June of 2010 we authorized an accounting firm, UHY LLP, to conduct an audit of the Town's 2009's financial statement. See the sickening results below. Resolution 138-2010 of August, 2010 should perk your ears up. That's when the rump board voted to contract with a bankruptcy attorney! That's right, we consulted with special bankruptcy counsel Cristian Dribusch at $250/hour for a fee not to exceed a reasonable percentage of our "exposure." Seems our weenie was already showing back then, so the recent WNYT story is actually old news. Former Supervisor McCabe brought this bankruptcy-talk motion to the floor, and all three members of the rump board voted YES: let's talk about going bankrupt! The September 2010 meeting saw the "Proud to be in East Greenbush" award go to Becker's Farm. If only Becker's could have planted the seed of fiscal responsibility in our Town Board members. Becker's is a successful, profitable business. We could learn how to run a town from them. Resolution 161-2010, October 2010, saw the creation of an Ethics Board to update the Town's antiquated 1974 Ethics Law. The new Town Board carefully chose and empowered the members of the Ethics Board to craft an updated law, and almost three years later the Town Board continues to ignore the draft law presented to them, causing the chair of that Ethics Board to resign in protest last year. Are you beginning to see the pattern here? Resolution 172-2010 in November, 2010 saw the newly constituted 5 member board accept the results of that UHY LLP audit and agree to make the report available to the public. Conveniently for some, this came just AFTER the elections so the voters didn't have a chance to know how bad things were: "Significant accounting and reconciliation entries are required to adjust the December 31, 2009 Annual Update Document... There is no systematic method of ensuring that timely and complete monthly reconciliation and closing procedures take place. Accounts receivable, accounts payable, compensated absences, payroll and others were not reconciled on a systematic basis. This could result in significant errors in the financial records and financial statements as well as allow irregularities, including fraud, to exist and continue without being identified promptly... No supervisory review of accounting transactions and month end reconciliations is performed. This allows errors to exist within the books of account, and without subsequent correction they could continue to grow in magnitude." Are you beginning to see the pattern here? Resolution 185-2010, December 2010, saw the new Board abolish the year old Finance Committee and replace it with a Citizens Fiscal Advisory Committee. The Finance Committee was peopled with people asking too many hard questions. The CFAC was far more amenable to keeping things calm and quiet. Looming bankruptcy and bad financial reports didn't phase the CFAC nearly as much as they did the Finance Committee. Are you beginning to see the pattern here? With Resolution 81-2011, April 2011, we contracted with Toski, Schaefer, and Co., P.C. to audit our books for 2010, 2011 and 2012. They are still not done- the books are either too mucked up to make sense of or too obviously corrupt for Toski to want to issue a report yet. Hence Resolution 67-2013, dated 5/15/13, authorized the Town to hire a Wojeski & Company (a firm that had handled our "audits" and annual State reports in the past) Certified Public Accountant at a 20% discounted rate of $104/hour to help Toski complete their 2010 audit. Not wanting to ruffle any feathers, both Councilperson Mangold and Supervisor Langley went on record to state that none of these problems were a reflection on former comptroller Kate Bennett. Said Mr. Langley: "It is an accounting process that has to be worked through." See? It's nobody's fault! It's just a numbers thing! Are you beginning to see the pattern here? In November 2012, conveniently just after the elections again, the State Comptroller's office released the results of its 1/1/10 - 10/31/11 town audit. The report was bleak: "Due to the poor condition of the Town's records, we were unable to determine the exact amount of the fund deficit as of December 31, 2009. To get an estimate of the Town's financial position, we started with the unaudited fund deficit amounts for the general and highway funds that were reported to OSC on the 2009 AUD.... (In other words, things were so bad they didn't know where to start, so they started with what we sent to them for 2009, but we know from the private audit of 2009 that what we reported was garbage! It didn't even include our fuel usage, which added up to about $400,000 the previous year! ) ...Over the last several years, the Town has experienced significant signs of fiscal stress and deteriorating financial condition. The Town's accounting records were not accurate and, therefore, did not provide Town officials with the information necessary to evaluate the financial position of the Town's general and highway funds. Due to the poor condition of the Town's accounting records, Town officials could not determine with any degree of certainty what the Town's fund balances were at the end of the 2010 fiscal year or for most of 2011." The Comptroller and Supervisor were both singled out, by title, as responsible. Page 16 actually states that the town should consult legal counsel and recoup the $39,000 in illegal sick leave incentives and longevity payments made to the Receiver of Taxes and the former Supervisor. Councilman Malone recently went on television to state that it would not be cost effective to go after this money. So there you have it. This is why a respected economist and contributor to The Wall Street Journal pointed to East Greenbush as one of the top 20 municipalities in the nation he expects to see join Detroit in declaring bankruptcy. At least now you'll know why your house won't sell and your taxes are going up next year. Maybe you'll want to contact your Supervisor or other Town Board member to discuss these things? You're footing the bill, after all, again and again and again."
Dear "Detroit East"-
ReplyDeleteThank you!!!
Good luck trying to contact Supervisor Langley. He will not entertain substantive questions on any important issues at Town Board meetings and if you are able to see him during his limited office hours in Town Hall, he is very dismissive of any conversations which call into question his continued tacit acceptance of the long established Town policies you discuss.
Mr. Langley and his political adviser, Mr. DeFruscio, repeatedly reference a "plan", which will "take care of everything" but they refuse to discuss the components of their "plan" in any detail whatsoever. Instead, Mr. Langley and Mr. DeFruscio say they don't want to reveal their 'plan' "UNTIL THE TIME IS RIGHT."
We are in big trouble, and it doesn't look like it's going to get any better under the leadership of Mr. Langley and his boss, Mr. DeFruscio.
We can no longer afford to wait until Mr. Langley and Mr. DeFruscio determine "the time is right."
We must act now!!
One of the central problems with our local politics is that our elected officials consider themselves to be responsible first to their "machines" and maybe third or fourth to the taxpayer. They think they are there to take care of their patrons. Time for them to read the law they are supposed to follow. As the Gadfly said a while back....time for Langley to understand the legal requirements of his office and "kick ass and take names."
ReplyDelete8:02, Sadly, if Langley doesn't understand the legal requirements of his office by now, he'll never understand them.
ReplyDeleteWhen the town goes bankrupt and your already ridiculous taxes go ever higher and you have some huge special assessment do not forget you read it here first.
ReplyDeleteThe taxpayers of this town have been lied to my every politician and every political party for years.
By the way...there is WAY more bad news than just what is covered in this historical and well written article. There are, no exaggeration, millions of YOUR dollars squandered on made up jobs, nepotism, patronage, early retirement, fruadulent pensions, bullshit consulting fees, etc., etc., etc.
Gadfly:
ReplyDeleteThis post may just be the very best thing I have read on any town blog, or the town's web site for that matter, ever.
It is just my opinion but this post, the last OSC audit and Jack Conway's letter of resignation should be copied and mailed to every taxpayer, voter and citizen in East Greenbush.
Wonderfully written piece. And it does not cover the entire story or history.
ReplyDeleteThink about all the consultants we paid for - for upgrading the parks when the town cannot or will not maintain what we already have. Think about the ex cop who got a race discrimination settlement. Think about the former DPW Comm. who got a termination settlement. Think about the half a million dollars spent on the early retirement option. Think about the cop who got a town paid for pension under very questionable circumstances. Think about the lack of oversight of Bruen and a couple of their audits. Think about new vehicles being purchased like the town were overflowing in money. Think about the human resources consultant hired - for what? Think about the arbitration, and its associated expenses, to eventually settle a case under extremely bad terms for the town. Think about all those tax certiori settlements. Some attorney got paid to "negotiate" those on behalf of taxpayers. Think about the building permits never applied for. Think about all the overtime never monitored or managed. Think about all that fuel - from Partak to DeFruscio and the year it disappeared off the face of the earth.
There's a line from a song from the 60's: "All good things must end". For the town, its slimy politicians and, unfortunately the taxpayers that time seems to be coming and right soon.
Where do WE go from here?
ReplyDeleteI agree with 7:29 AM, this is the best. How about putting this in the Advertiser? Mailing it would cost a fortune.
Mary Ann should definitely carry a copy and give one to every house she visits.
Again, I ask, where do WE go from here.
Many may recall that in Mr. Malone's moment of TV fame, he stated that on the State Comptroller's "municipal stress index" East Greenbush was doing OK. In this connection, I've asked the State Comptroller (twice) how the municipal stress index could indicate this when the OSC's most recent audit of East Greenbush stated that the financial records were in such a state that the financial position of the Town could not be determined. OSC has yet to respond to this question. Something "fishy?" I'm going to ask again today.
ReplyDeleteI just heard from a friend that the last pre-Board meeting adjourned to executive session to discuss new contracts for police, dispatch and DPW. My friend suggested that unless the Town is negotiating some "give-backs" instead of "give-aways" in these contracts, the Town is in big trouble. We'll see. The usual pattern is to give away the store for votes - witness the sick-leave "incentive." We still haven't seen a workload analysis applied in any area of Town employment.
ReplyDeleteThe people of this town should show up in force at the next town board and DEMAND a complete and accurate accounting of the state of the town's fnances from the town board and the chief financial officer - Keith Langley.
ReplyDeleteThat assumes two things:
1.) He actually knows. And,
2.) He can be trusted to tell the truth.
Both are questionable but he could redeem himself by (finally) stepping up to the issues and stepping away from both the dumbass majority who (mostly) got us in this situation and from Chris DeFruscio and his form of demented leadership.
Come on Keith, be a man; be a leader. Try it - you might just like it.
Health and welfare and pesnion are mentioned as the two biggest reasons municpal governments face financial problems.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't matter if it is Valejo, CA, or Syracuse, NY - or Detroit, MI. The uncontrollable nature of health and welfare benefits and the staggering cost of defined benefit pensions are more than all these towns and cities can stand.
East Greenbush is absolutely on a similar course. Doubt it? Please re-read Jack Conway's resignation from the Ethics Board. Mr. Conway nailed the issue when he made the comment that the town is run for the benefit of the employees and not the benefit of the taxpayers.
Those benefits are also why nepotism and patronage are so rife and so present and so deep a burden on taxpayers.
Ginny O'Brien's job as a real estate agent probably does not provide any benefits at all. But with Mike holding his nepotism appointment that does not matter. Ginny is receiving benefits from the town and paid for by taxpayers.
Bill Malone's car repair business probably provides no benefits at all. But with Joan Malone's nepotism appointment he does not have to worry about that at all. The town's benefits cover him as well.
In the old days the cost of providing benefits was roughly 1/3 of an employees pay. Today the cost of providing benefits is 100% of an employee's pay. So, taxpayers, for every nepotism and patronage appointment; for every made up job (Bennett, Ingoldsby, Hicks, others); for every position filled where no work is done you can bet you are paying that person's salary AND benefits.
For the fire districts the situation is similar. A review of any fire district budget shows that state pension credits or points is the single greatest expense item - by far. We all deeply appreciate the work done by emergency services personnel. But how many people really understand what it means to have 4 fire districts in a town as small as East Greenbush?
If you look at one of the Buren audits by the OSC you will learn that 19 of 19 volunteers improperly (that's also illegally) received state pension fund credits or points when they should not have.
Collective bargaining is the place where the cost of benefits can be addressed. But since the needs of the taxpayers always take a back seat to the needs of the town's employees we will all have to wait for the next actual financial crisis before anything positive gets done. Sad - but true.
I hate to break it to you, but
Delete1. New York municipalities MUST belong to the state’s pension system. Thus, East Greenbush has no choice in the matter.
2. Mike O’Brien is a PT employee and isn’t eligible for most benefits, including health insurance!
3. The cost of providing benefits in East Greenbush is less than 62% of the Town's payroll.
Again, let’s all step back, take a deep breath, take a walk, or whatever you prefer and await the results of Wojecki’s work and Toski’s audits of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
I believe that it is a reality that a former Chair of the Planning Board - not even a Town employee - was granted the "benefit" of being included in the Town's medical benefit plan. When this can happen without the necessary oversight, there is the potential of a big "cash leak" benefiting the connected and the related. This kind of thing needs an audit to find out the actual extent of the rule bending. I'd bet that this is the reason that a forensic audit was so strongly opposed in 2010. There's just so much loosey-goosey stuff that it's mind boggling. Fuel usage didn't even appear on the AUD for 2009 or 2010 and nobody blinked an eye. That had to be in the neighborhood of $400,000 if the other years are an indication. The first job of a Town's administration is to mind the money. There is just no excuse for a situation to arise that CPAs have to be hired to reconstruct and compile records.
Delete1:19 PM,
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, the Dems. don't hold a monopoly when it comes to this type of behavior.
Let's not forget Rep. Chairman Chris DeFruscio's hand picked Supervisor Keith Langley's attempt to secure unlawful sick leave incentive benefits through a proposed salary increase for himself after he was told by the State Comptroller's Office that sick leave incentives for elected officials were unlawful.
To 4:59 PM-
ReplyDeleteThat's not the full story. Town Lawyer, Joe Liccardi, advised Supervisor Langley to recoup to the Town the $750 in illegal sick leave benefits Mr. Langley had already unlawfully pocketed. Mr. Langley then reluctantly wrote a check to the Town for the $750.
It's sad Mr. Liccardi won't advise the other recipients of their illegal benefits to recoup the money they pocketed as well.
Look everyone the town's financial mess is a bi-partisan issue. Who is to blame goes far and wide.
ReplyDeleteWhat is most troubling is the complete, total and utter failure to develop and implement any financial plan is also a bi-partisan issue.
The problem, Anonymous, is that both "machines" are still operating out of the mindset which says that one or the other must have the graft which flows from majority power - feeding the insiders and connected. They really pay no attention at all to the ordinary taxpayer who is footing the bill. Until we "loose" both machines, I don't see much hope for municipal progress. They will continue to feed their own mouths until we are able to sew their mouths shut by removing them from access to the public purse.
ReplyDeleteThere are people in the community who would be able to govern without graft, payoff and patronage.
Have your fun now Donkey Don. In a couple of years when Phil takes office there will be no mercy shown on your retched soul. You along with your blind followers will kneel before him and beg for his forgiveness for casting such a black cloud of doom over our beautiful town. Yes the sun will soon shine, the good people of our fair town have had it with the likes of you, Defruscion, Mulvi, Anny, Mikey, & even Peter Rabbit. We are planning a gala celebration for 1/1/15 and you and your merry band of misfits are not invited. Can't speak for that broken down old "R" machine, but our machine is oiled up and ready to roll. Get out of the way because we don't brake for reformers. ROTFL
DeleteDear 7:33 AM (Chris?),
DeleteNice try, but your juvenile misdirection stunts just don't work anymore. Time for you to develop a new playbook. Why not publish some comments on Ethics Reform or a Financial Recovery Plan?
Maybe it's time to ask the administrators of the other Talk's blog, Dave Van Wormer, Deputy Chief Mike Condo and Pete Stinson, to start to hold everyone to the same standard and stop just throwing mud at every chance. It got so bad over there that they took all the posts down. It's not about pointing fingers anymore, we are a national laughing stock now. Maybe both sides could just pull together for a solution, rather than pointing fingers. Both sides are to blame because they focus more on control than solutions. Talks is as much to blame as anyone for ignoring the problems and protecting their bosses and their positions. It's time to step out of the shadows, have both sides stop slinging mud and just present ideas for improvement rather than distractions and high school antics. Everyone now knows who runs all the blogs, maybe it's time to grow up and conduct yourselves in a way that's worthy of the money tax payers pay you.
ReplyDeleteMy wish for today, EVERY taxpayer in East Greenbush, Dem and Rep, reads this very well writen article.
ReplyDeleteThere are two primary blogs in East Greenbush.
ReplyDeleteOne, the Gadfly, presents facts through FOILs. The Gadfly blog argues for positive change regardless of political party affiliation.
The other blog, Talks, argues for a continuation of the status quo.
After our junk bond ratings, DEC Consent Decrees, the last OSC audit and a whole host of other stuff which blog to do you think better represents the regular taxpayer?
Which blog do you think offers hope for a better future with lower taxes?
It damn sure ain't within the status quo !
East Greenbush is a nice, little town. With any kind of decent politicians making decent decisions it could be a wonderful town. But we need change. And we need it right now. And there is not one single ounce of positive change to be found any where in the Talks blog.
So, Talks bloggers keep trying to blame Mike Cristo. Keep taking cheap shots at Don Johnson. Keep making horrible gender biased comments about Ann Taylor. But unless and until you offer hope for a better East Greenbush your blog is useless.
One fact you conveniently overlook is that Ginny O’Brien took office in January, 2010. Phil Malone and Sue Mangold in November, 2010.
ReplyDeleteSo don't hold then accountable for the Town's problems. They're trying to resolve them.
You're delusional. They're part of the problem, make no bones about it.
DeleteWhy don't you list some specific concrete actions, consistent with the recommendations of OSC, Moody's, S&P and the Fiscal Advisors, which have been taken by the three you just named?
ReplyDeleteOh Good Lord
ReplyDeleteNow we are supposed to pretend that O'Brien, Mangold and Malone have done good things????
All those phony made up jobs? All those nepotism and patronage appointments? Their total and complete lack of support for anything ethical?
Get real.
The town's problems are a bi-partisan mess. But those three, as the majority, own the majority of the mess.
Phil just might get his butt handed to him by somebody from the "distaff" side. If I were the Dems, I'd be shopping for a new salesperson. The jerk's just too arrogant to fly with folks who have neighbors over for dinner and other things polite communities do. Maybe if both Parties "lost" their Chairs, we'd have some chance at a civil life here. Goons, be gone.
ReplyDeleteThuggery has applied to East Greenbush politics for way, way too long.
ReplyDeleteSadly, just like incompetence, lazziness and corruption it applies equally to both political parties.
Mulvey, DeFruscio and Sheldon used to embarass themselves with their stupid remarks from the audience at town board meetings.
The "Gran Torino" patronage speech that landed Megan Hart her job in town hall will be a classic for decades.
People got equally sick of Ginny O'Brien's sweet nothingness comments. Sue Mangold's speech about we're all neighbors made people barf as well. Phil Malone's hissy fit when his mommy's desk got moved was a classic. Rick McCabe's "crap" speech probably contributed to his unexpected election loss.
East Greenbush lacks for political leadership, civility, intelligance and decency. Neither party can ever seem to find the moral high ground.
In regard to the Wall Street Journal story on "Bankruptcy," I sent the following e-mail to NYS OSC related to the "municipal stress index" which Mr. Malone asserts indicates that East Greenbush is OK:
ReplyDelete"Much is being made in the current news about East Greenbush and its
position in the Fiscal Stress Monitoring System. My question relates to
the validity and currency of the database related to East Greenbush in
that OSC's most recent audit in East Greenbush concluded that the Town's
financial records were in such disarray that the Town's financial
position could not be determined for 2010 and 2011. As of last May's
Board meeting, the Board engaged the Wojeski firm to compile the 2010
financial material so that the Toski firm could audit 2010. It is my
understanding that 2011 and 2012, which are under contract with Toski
for audit, have not yet begun.
How can the Fiscal Stress conclusions be sound when there are not
audited financial statements available? I am aware that OSC uses the
AUD for its databases, but in this case I'd argue that it's a dubious
course to follow.
Don Johnson"
Here's the response I got yesterday:
"Mr. Johnson:
Thank you for your e-mail of August 9, 2013 regarding your concerns with the Fiscal Stress Monitoring System scoring of the Town of East Greenbush.
Our Fiscal Stress Monitoring System (FSMS) relies on the accuracy of the financial information reported in the Annual Update Document (AUD). This document is required to be filed with our Office and certified by the local government chief fiscal officer. The AUD uses a uniform system of accounts that allows for consistency of reporting and comparability of data across local governments. Our methodology allows us to include all local governments in our scoring system. We do not use audited financial statements for FSMS because many local governments do not receive independent audits, and independent audits are typically filed much later than the AUD reports. When AUD reports are filed, we review them for consistency and reasonableness. Because of these factors, the AUD is the most appropriate data source for FSMS.
In regard to East Greenbush and findings we've had in our past audits, I understand the concerns you raise. If a subsequent independent audit reveals that the 2012 AUD was significantly inaccurate and adjustments need to be made, we are prepared to consider such adjustments.
If you have additional questions or concerns regarding our Fiscal Stress Monitoring System, please let me know.
Andrew A. SanFilippo
Executive Deputy Comptroller
Office of State and Local Government Accountability
NYS Office of the State Comptroller"
So here you have it. The municipal stress index is driven by a municipality's own numbers on the AUD. Last night the Town Board appropriated an additional $17,025 for Wojeski to complete the necessary reconciliations for 2010, 2011 and 2012 so that Toski can audit those years. This, along with the OSC finding in the recent audit that the records were in disarray would mean that the Fiscal Stress Monitoring score for East Greenbush is questionable. Our own reconciliations are still being done.
I think we should read the O'Brien, Malone and Mangold letter in today's Advertiser in the context of the realities of what we KNOW of the financial condition of the Town.
and the comptroller during 2010, 2011 and 2012 was appointed by whom?
DeleteCDM
I don't think you can successfully land this one on Mr. Breig. I think an examination of his record will demonstrate that he made some serious inroads into the mess. He told Jack Conway at one point that "we're lucky we're not landing airliners here." I know personally of a couple of instances in which he was directed by a sitting Board member in the majority to violate established internal controls. He was walking a fine line and living in a mine field. I don't envy Angelina.
DeleteIt's my understanding that some decent accounting software will run in the neighborhood of $30,000. It's a mystery to me that it hasn't been purchased yet, given the findings in all the audits. My guess is that when things start to tighten up in the controls area, there will be less opportunity for the loosey-goosey stuff and more difficulty in getting the hand in the cookie jar. I'm suggesting that there has been significant "benefit" to some people to have a lousy accounting system - and the lousy controls that go along with that situation. Guess who......
What I can tell you is that when some of us on the original Finance Committee began to ask questions about appropriate expenditure controls and some serious "cash leaks" because of the absence of appropriate controls, the committee was abolished.
but doesn’t the opening post say
Delete“The Comptroller and Supervisor were both singled out, by title, as responsible.”? And “we contracted with Toski, Schaefer, and Co., P.C. to audit our books for 2010, 2011 and 2012. They are still not done- the books are either too mucked up to make sense of or too obviously corrupt for Toski to want to issue a report yet.”
You're absolutely right, and that title goes to the prior Comptroller too. When you "open" a new fiscal year, you are "building" on the accuracy of the closing of the previous year. As I understand it, the inter-fund debt problem arose in not tracking and controlling receipts and disbursements appropriately by fund. Mr. Breig did it correctly, but he had "mud" to build on.
DeleteCan we expect any comment from the Town Supervisor and Chief Financial Officer Keith (Emperor Nero) Langley regarding this? Or must he always obey his political boss, Chris DeFruscio's, edict of no comment or action on any important issue.
ReplyDeleteDo we need to be singed by the burning and hear Langley's fiddle before some positive action is taken?
C'mon Chris, let Langley do his job. Even if it requires him to make some decisions and public statements.
We just can't afford to have an Emperor Nero sitting by and allowing East Greenbush to be turned into a wasteland of scorched earth.
The town's book are in shambles. That begs the question - how do O'Brien, Mangold and Malone know the town's finances are in good shape?
ReplyDeleteAnd they know more than Moody's, S&P and the OSC?
O'Brien, Mangold and Malone have totally resisted the idea of a deep and serious audit for years now. If the town's finances are in good shape wouldn't a full and complete audit be a simple, easy way to prove that and really relieve taxpayers from any anxiety?
Not to be rude about it but politicians are not exactly known for telling the truth.
Let's not forget tax and spend Keith Langley 1:59 PM. Mr Langley recently told Ch. 13 the financial problems of EG are in the process of being addressed with a "plan" and a proposed tax increase.
ReplyDeleteI have struggled with these issues for the last few weeks and at last night's town board meeting a number of comments were made about the condition of the town's finances that got me thinking. It's hard to know the truth but this is what I think is going on (and this is subject to change as I'll admit I'm only speculating:
ReplyDeleteWhen the town was placed in junk bond status we were approximately $2.5 million in debt. Four years later it seems like we are somewhere around $2 million in debt. That means the bleeding has stopped but we have not solved the structural problems that created the debt in the first place. I think there are several reasons why the debt has not grown and in fact may be lower:
(1) Citizen action has stopped the most egregious lapses in fiscal policy and helped create a climate in which our elected officials know they must tow a stricter line.
(2) Jim Breig was a highly organized and effective Comptroller who was able to track the funds received and disbursed for the time he was in office. There are encouraging signs that Angelina Cadena is up to the task of continuing the progress made in this area.
(3) Audits are finally becoming part of the fiscal routine in East Greenbush. They have been too few and too limited in scope but the ice has been broken which creates the climate for better, more comprehensive audits in the future.
(4) The current composition of the town board has done a better job than their predecessors in keeping an eye on the public purse. They have made some unnecessary hires, continue to employ too many highly paid consultants, and refuse to acknowledge the scope of our problems but they have also done some very good work: finishing the Couse Corner roundabout and planning the Mannix Rd. one; making the decision and securing the funding for the wastewater treatment solution and so on.
We are still in junk bond status. We still don't have firm numbers from which to make good decisions about financial recovery and debt reduction but we're not spiraling into more and more debt. As Tom Grant said at the board meeting last night all we need is to come together, to have both political factions put the town's interest above party political gain and these problems can be solved. Stephen Moore was probably wrong when he said we were near bankruptcy and Phil Malone was radically wrong when he said things are "okay." Until we get firm numbers we won't know the nature and extent of our problems. In any event, we need a systematic plan for financial recovery, an acknowledgement by the town board that we have a real problem, and a concerted, cooperative effort to work together to find solutions.
I'm trying to be as fair as I can in understanding these issues but the Moore article really threw me.
Jack, Moore couldn't have been responding to real numbers because there aren't any. I'm convinced that the vast collection of unaddressed (and becoming ancient) audit findings and recommendations would in themselves lead to troubling conclusions about the Town's financial operations. Remember bringing the financial operations of the Ambulance District under the control of the Town Comptroller? Remember taxpayer equity issues at the Transfer Station from 13 years ago? It would be a daunting job, but somebody should go through the old reports a make a list. One of OSC's major operational flaws when they do an audit is that they don't do a "compliance review" on previous engagements, and that has the effect of letting the ever-changing governing bodies "off the hook" on previous issues. You're right on the money in observing that decent policy decisions can't be made if the Board doesn't know where it stands financially. One problem has been that there has been a relatively easy source of cash in the "uncomplaining" tax base. That's over.
ReplyDeleteThere's a guy over on Talks named ZIP who doesn't seem to get it. My point continues to be that unless the underlying Internal Control and Management Oversight and Policy issues are fixed, knowing the financial position numbers for the Town won't amount to much. It's in the areas of Governance and Management that the problems lie.
DeleteJack, it seems to occur to everyone except the town board that a deep and meaningful audit is a necessity. A forensic audit would, very obviously, be in the best interest of the taxpayers of our town. How can anyone not agree with that?
ReplyDeleteWhy would you suppose the town board, especially the majority, has so rigoruously resisted doing an really serious audit? There has to be a reason and, clearly, spending taxpayers' money is not that reason.
Why might we suppose the same town board majority so deeply resists the ethics code recommended to them by the now long gone Ethics Board? There must be some reasons?
Could all those reasons be connected?
The state allows for interfund borrowing to enable municipalities to manage cash flow. The law requires that towns re-pay interfund borrowing within 1 year. At the rate the town board is progessing how many years will it be before the interfund borrowing is paid back?
East Greenbush's town board, and the former supervisor, treated interfund borrowing, in part, as a stipend slush fund. And you know that.
Why is the only thing that keeps the town board from making even dumber mistakes citizen activism? Doesn't that simple reality suggest, rather strongly, that the town board is failing to uphold their oath of office?
Why has the town board majority added all those absolutely and totally irresponsible nepotism and patronage appointments? What label might we apply to those decisions? Stupid? Corrupt? Seriously, how would you like to describe those mind boggling decisions?
Jack, I have always insisted that it cannot be all that hard to manage a small town like East Greenbush. So, what causes this, and all prior town boards, to make things so complicated? What is behind or the root cause of all these problems? Stupidity would get some votes. Lazziness would likely get some votes. Corrupt would certainly get quite a few votes. Is there any other root cause that I might be missing here? Seriously, what can possibly explain the complete and total inability of the town board to figure out how to manage this otherwise fine little town?
To 6:45 AM-
ReplyDeleteWhy wouldn't Keith Langley, as the current Town Supervisor and its Chief Financial Officer and the only full time member of the Town Board, support a serious forensic audit?
What do you suppose is the "root cause" behind Mr. Langley's inaction?
Anonymous 6:45:
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to argue with most of what you write. I would add one thing though and it usually gets me in trouble because some people think I'm enabling the status quo. The culture of politics and government is obsolete and not equipped to handle the technical problems of local government in the 21st century. By 'culture of politics and government' I mean the way political insiders behave and expect others to behave. In a famous phrase uttered from the dais of the town board things are done because "that's the way it's always been done." This is why it almost doesn't matter which crowd gets a majority because they're both going to do the same thing: hire their own people and put the interests of the faction ahead of the interests of the town.
Audits are one path to change but only if their findings result in effective action by the board to rectify the problems. We have begun to see limited audits but the board has been slow to respond. The finding that we need accounting software was fundamental and critical yet it was totally ignored by the town board. The $30,000 cost was cited as prohibitive but of course twice that amount can be found every time a crony needs a job.
In my view, two things are needed to begin the changes we need: a strong Code of Ethics and a formal plan for administrative reform. The Code of Ethics helps to regulate and monitor the behavior of town officials with the goal of eliminating conflicts of interest and insider political trading. The key to a strong Code is financial disclosure and we already know we're not getting that. Hopefully the town board's draft won't be as lame as I fear it will be. A formal plan for administrative reform would include, at a minimum, the purchase of accounting software, a professional workload analysis, an automated system to track and control overtime, a study of which positions could be converted from fulltime to part-time, and more.
But as long as town residents are asleep we're going to continue to get the government we deserve. Don't forget that our elected officials have been elected in fair open elections, a fact that must be treated with the utmost respect.
Jack, we should add what we are paying for the initial, limited audit that couldn't be completed to what the additional Toski services cost and then add what we paid Wojeski to do the unaudited AUD's and then add what we are paying Wojeski to "help" Toski get to something they can show us. I'm sure the figure to pay for the shell game we are watching is far more than a deep, thorough audit would have cost in the first place. In the end, after spending all this money and all the fancy footwork what we will have is an audit of limited scope that will be hard to believe because of the way the audit itself was conducted.
DeleteThe money we have spent on the pretend audit (aka mini audit) should not be ignored. It could have paid for a real audit and the accounting software.
It is often said that the people who were in charge when these events took place are gone. One person who was there throughout this dreary process is promoting his wife as a leader.
Don't forget that part of the reason our debt went down was because the town supposedly got 1 million dollars from Fed Ex moving in. They tried to spend that money a number of times, but maybe some of it actually went to paying down some of the debt. Right now, the unions, are both up for contract renewals and will fight to the death to ensure annual raises for the next couple of years. They will back whoever and promise anything to whichever party will give them what they want. They always do. Since Mike Condo is over on the talks blog pitching for the dems and ignoring any problems at all, along with Dave Van Wormer at DPW, it's a sure thing they will continue to pitch for the status quo, especially since they only got there current titles by selling there souls to Phil Malone to begin with. Give it up folks, these people were taught how to abuse the system a long time ago and even the old guard can't keep them in check, nor do they want to because they continue to profit from the way things have been done. Will it ever get better? When your deputy not only ignores the law but enables others to do the same, what are our chances for real? Sue Hart Mangold fought the ethics code to protect the family. Anyone think the average tax payer has a chance in this town? And who is the gran torino?
ReplyDeleteGran Torino will be your worst nightmare if he finds out who you are!
DeleteSue Mangold is holding a pig roast fund raiser. How utterly appropriate!
ReplyDeleteAfter all the pork barrel spending she and her minority friends have subjected us to it doesn't get any better than this! Thanks Sue - needed a laugh after your bullshit Advertiser lies.
Jack, I read the Advertiser article placed by O'Brien, Mangold and Malone very carefully. I thought it was a riot that they took such great pains to try to shift the balance of blame to other people. Cowardly and pure bullshit.
I also think they openly and brazenly lied. The paying down of the town's debt is occuring at a glacial pace. It could go quicker but we had to hire too many family and friends. Ridiculous.
How about if we re-directed that utterly wasted $500,000 spent on the early retirement option? What a hit that would have made on the debt load.
What if they had not hired all those political insiders? I strongly suspect that wasted salary and benefits would have reduced the debt to nothing in just a couple of years.
The town's finances cannot be characterized as in good shape - their most egregious flat out lie because the bookkeeping is in sych terrible shape.
We are going to get the same bullshit code of ethics from O'Brien, Mangold and Malone as we got in their Advertiser aticle.
Anonymous, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post and got a couple of needed chuckles out of it. Were you able to attend the last board meeting and hear Mangold's delusional proclammations about how "honest" she is, how she hasn't done anything to promote her family's businesses in the town, and how Ginny O'B. is her "mentor." Egad, if I was Ginny, I would not want to hear Mangold say out loud that I am her mentor. Sounds like Mangold is trying to blame someone else for her performance. I cringe when I think of Mangold elevating herself from town board to county leg. She really shouldn't be on any board much less the county legislature. But she and her brother-in-law Mike Batillo are trying to corner the market politically so that they can really benefit their family and friends. Diabolicle...and sickening.
DeleteJack:
ReplyDeleteHere is a simple but meaningful way to judge our town board officials...
They have made decisions that no business or household in town would make. Those decisions have been reckless, irresponsible and, very frankly, stupid. But they have been spending other people's money with little to no accountability.
The taxpayers of East Greenbush are very fortunate to have a handful of people who have exposed the illegal stipends and other wrongdoing by our town officials and kept things from being much worse.
The ethics code, by the way, is about to go the same way. The majority will vote in a meaningless, insignificant and, very frankly, stupid law that they will never follow anyway.
It is too soon to predict how this election will go but if voters support any candidates associated with O'Brien, Mangold and Malone then you will be very correct - we'll get the town government we deserve.
Here are just two examples of bad and super expensive decisions by the town board.
ReplyDeleteThe first is the early retirement option. $500,000 of our money got spent for exactly nothing. A few political friends got to retire early with full pensions and taxpayers had to pay $500,000 to the state retirement fund. AND...those positions, and many more got replaced by the town board majority. Stupid? You bet.
The second is the solar panels. The town comptroller reported at a CFAC meeting that the expected payback or return on investment was 22 years! There is no private sector business in the world that would invest capital (our money folks) in an investment with a 22 year payback. In 22 years there is no telling what the cost to maintain and replace so solar panels will be. There is a solid business reason why Phil Malone's father does not spend money on solar panels for O'Sullivan's shop. And the reason is simple - it makes no good business sense to do so. The solar panels have to be removed and replaced at considerable cost to do the waste treatment plant project. Stupid? You bet.
There are other examples. These two stand out because all our money spent on these two projects was, for all intent and purpose, just plain wasted. There are very good reasons why the town board never shares or explains the savings from these projects. Because there hasn't been any and there isn't going to be any.
Dear 6:44 PM-
ReplyDeleteGreat post, unfortunately, it isn't just O'Brien, Mangold and Malone.
Here are some direct quotes from Keith Langley and Phil Malone to NewsChannel 13 reporter, Dan Bazile taken from their August 9, 2013 interview transcript.
"'No, things are not getting worse. They're actually improving,'" said Keith Langley, East Greenbush Town Supervisor."
and...
"'We are working together and have put plans into effect to begin to reduce the budget deficit in the Town of East Greenbush,' says Langley."
"He and Town Board Member Phil Malone says they've paid down part of the debt. The plan is to take another chunk off in this year's budget.
"But they're not going after some of the questionable payments to officials that include thousands of dollars in stipend and sick leave money, as recommended by the comptroller's audit.
"'We conferred with counsel. It just wouldn't be cost effective for the town,' said Malone."
Seems like Supervisor Langley and Board Member Malone are BOTH satisfied with the "glacial pace" of the debt repayment.
Jack, "that's the way it has always been done" smacks on non thinking, stupid people unable to get past the past. I mean really, think about it. We used to, quoting again from the dais "crap" outside as well. But we, as a society advanced beyond that.
ReplyDeleteIf we do things the way they have always been done are we condemned to endlessly repeat the mistakes of the past? There's an expression all about doing that is linked to insanity.
I have a different theory and it goes right to the mindless corruption that seems so inherent in our local politics. Every politician, except Matters, seems to want their piece of the pie.
Please believe that both Matters and Langley are good, honest men who want what's best for the town. Supr. Langley won't be satisfied until East Greenbush is out of trouble financially and becomes a premium place to live and raise a family. After all, the Supr. cannot consider himself successful unless his town is thriving, not teetering on the verge of bankruptcy, but in order to be successful the Supr. must find himself in the majority, not the minority. We will all have another chance this September 10th (Primary Day) and November 5th (Election day) to make that happen. Please, make a concerted effort to vote on those two critical dates. It's more important now than ever.
Delete12:18 PM
DeleteIt would be helpful if Supr. Langley would tell someone other than Chris DeFruscio what his plans are if he were to be voted a majority. The concern is that Chris DeFruscio would be calling the shots in Town Hall if the Langley majority was to happen.
Anon@ 12:30, you are right about the contract renewal and that they will fight for raises and no increase in their share of expenses associated with the rising costs of health insurance. Those of us with non-gov't jobs have had to do this for years now, why shouldn't they?
ReplyDeleteWhy not look at other options for containing costs, and OT expenses? Maybe consider having two shifts instead of just the one? Why not a 7-3 and 3-11 for DPW? I think Colonie may have done this. Do we actually need all the people on the payroll? Do some analysis of work load (as has been suggested) and trim the fat. It is the right thing to do for our Town, now more than ever.
Our taxes are too high, our housing prices are being negatively impacted, and there is a lot of blame and name calling instead of problem solving with a focus of getting our Town back in good financial standing. Maybe there are plans, maybe they are solid, and maybe they will get us back on solid ground but we will never know until it is shared. Let's see a 1, 3, and 5 year recovery plan where we can see the vision for our town to get out of junk bond status and not be #2 on a list when compared to Detroit.
Does Joan Malone live in East Greenbush or Saratoga?
ReplyDelete6:04 PM:
ReplyDeleteGood point about sharing plans. That would be a good question to ask Supervisor Langley, who is also the Town Chief Financial Officer, at the next Town Board Meeting. Too bad Supervisor Langley doesn't let people ask questions at the Town Board meetings. It would be good to know if he has even thought about things like having two DPW shifts.
What the hell would you do with a second shift at DPW, set up cots and serve warm milk and cookies.
DeleteDear 6:22 PM
DeleteIf there was a work force analysis implemented, the Town could make a cost effective determination about whether a second shift made sense.
The Thruway Authority management did this a number of years ago, when they conducted a work force analysis that demonstrated much of their road work could be done at night and at less cost to the taxpayers.
As a local example, it's possible much of the vehicle maintenance work could be performed by the Town's DPW during a second shift at less cost to the taxpayers; but we wouldn't know for sure without a work force analysis.
Warm milk and cookies would be nice also ...
Joan Malone lives in Saratoga - at least that's where she claims her STAR exemption.
ReplyDeleteBut when did following any rules or laws matter in East Greenbush?
If you are politically connected you can ignore residency laws, environmental laws, building permits, and on and on and on it goes.
Please note: violating the law is absolutely a non partisan activity in East Greenbush.
Second shift would be used to split the existing crew in half in an effort to keep costs down. Maybe it does not make sense in his case, but in the winter when they have to plow if there were the two shifts it 'might' cut down on the OT? While we have not had a lot of snow the past few years, I would think that when we do the OT costs associated with plowing rack up quickly. Yes, I get that they usually have to plow in the early am to prepare for schools to open, but am just throwing ideas out there to see if there are other ways to provide the services needed in our town while containing costs.
ReplyDeleteThis is a well written piece, but I am tired of both parties, all blogs and everyone pointing fingers. It's getting old. More than anything, I am tired of both sides, maybe more the democrats than the republicans because there have been more of them, but I am tired of everyone pretending like everything is fine and nothing is wrong. We are all grown ups and by now everyone agrees that things are pretty well screwed up in our town. Mostly it's the politicians fault. Please stop sugar coating everything and shifting the blame. I for one would have a great deal more respect for all of them if they would just own what their friends have done, put an end to the bickering and just follow the law. Be honest for a change. Forget who you like and don't like. Look at our situation objectively. People took money, say that, make them pay it back. I don't want to hear excuses of why we can't get it back. Just because it's inconvenient to Rick McCabe's lifestyle today doesn't mean a thing to the rest of us who pay our taxes every year. I'd have a lot more respect for Phil and Sue if they simply had the guts to tell the people who took money to repay tax payers. Until then, none of them deserve to be in office. Is it really that hard? And I don't care about Mike Condo or Dave Van Wormer or anyone else. If they are doing something wrong, it's only because they have friends in power who are letting them. Stand up and accept the responsibility of your offices and hold everyone accountable no matter who it is or what party they are in! Wake up everyone, the Wall Street Journal is comparing us to Detroit for God's sake and we don't have clear back up to suggest they are wrong. Stop faking it and do your jobs! Prove everyone wrong and actually improve things rather than just telling us you did. Not everyone is stupid, they actually know the difference.
ReplyDeleteAs much as I hate to spoil your little fantasy party, Joan does NOT live in Saratoga. She does indeed own property in Saratoga and as far as I can recall, that does not violate her job requirements. Last any of us knew, she and Bill still reside well within the boundaries of East Greenbush and have done so for over 40 years. I challenge any of you to prove me wrong !
ReplyDeleteAnonymous at 11:08 a.m., what is their address in East Greenbush?
DeleteGadfly, I do not mean to hijack your blog but I am curious about something.
ReplyDeleteDriving around town I notice that our fire stattions are installing solar panels. And all from the same company that hired town board member Phil Malone. I wonder if there is a political connection there?
I also wonder about the economic sense of spending taxpayer money - and solar is not cheap - on buildings that are unoccupied roughly 95% of the time? How does that make good economic sense to be spending our hard earned money in that way?
If anyone has more information and the facts please share them so people will know that our tax dollars are not being squandered on some new political deal.
Thank you.
11:08 AM
ReplyDeleteNo fantasy party - just looking for the facts and the truth. I realize that is a rare commodity here among East Greenbush political insiders so your sensitivity is acknowledged, appreciated and respected.
At least the person who asked didn't call her all the names Ann Taylor has been called - you know?
11:08 AM
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing wrong with asking questions.
One of the many, many problems with our town is the reactions from people just like you whenever a question is asked.
There is open hostility and all kinds of nasty reactions to simple questions seeking simple answers. Defensiveness begins to come across as something to hide. And, as we have seen all too often, when it comes to how our town (THAT's OUR TOWN by the way) there is an awful lot to hide.
Don't make me list all the things the town board tries so very hard to hide.
I really hope your response is accurate and correct.
@12:39, I too was wondering the same things about the solar panels, and just where exactly the fire departments are getting the money for them? The fire departments at last check are not for profit, are they not? Which means they are tax payer funded, right? How can they justify using tax payer money on those solar panels?
ReplyDeleteif you'll look at 82-2011 the Town spent a bit more than $81K on its two installations, to be paid over a number of years.
DeleteBalance of funding came from grants.
maybe the FDs follow suit and got grant money.
but why not stop in and ask them and let us know
How about the fire districts come forward and tell us?
DeleteWhy do we, the regular citizen taxpayer, always have to chase OUR money all over town?
Better yet, why don't you do the research and report back here on what you discover?
True 12:39. Wonder if it saves any money? Along the same lines, how about the supes secretaries husband getting all the Sherwood Park contract work? Thats a little fishy too.
ReplyDeleteA different Joan Malone must live at 162 GRAND AVE, SARATOGA SPRINGS NY and gets her star exemption there. Everyone knows that Phillip lives in a rental she owns on Gilligan Rd. and no longer lives on Fairfield Ct. which is noted as being owned by her husband. So it's possible that if you were to visit the residence in Saratoga, she wouldn't answer the door there. It's very easy to own property here and list it as your full time address, especially when you work here and collect good money from tax payers doing nothing. Is it really worth the effort to pull a fast one when there is so much wrong going on here? But you have to love how defiant and protective they all are. If no one checks, it's no problem. but it's not there fault, its ours. We were warned, we were told and still we let them get away with it. East Greenbush - L'il Mototwn!
ReplyDeleteMonolith has been expanding rapidly, there are many solar panels on businesses and not for profit buildings, not only around town but in the capital region. They are touting their lease options, which I believe the fire company has done. This requires no upfront investment for these plans, which seems like a win-win.
ReplyDeleteFunny how in years past it has always been the DEM's on the truck trailer by the old weathervane, and this year its the REP's. what gives?
ReplyDeleteIt's certainly a step in the right direction. I wish DiMartino and Matters the best of luck. Our town needs a positive change and they deserve a chance. Help our town, help them win.
DeleteTo 1:46 Please list all the things the town board is trying so hard to hide.
ReplyDeleteI am not politically connected, this blog is the only way I have of finding out what is going on in Town Hall. What I learn I pass on to my friends. Needless to say, we are NOT too happy.
For starters everything the board majority is going to take out of the original ethics code. The majorities version is going to provide them ample cover to keep us all in the dark as to why they make the decisions they make.
Delete6:57
ReplyDeleteIt is hard to know where to start. Fuel records, Moody's, Friday's off all summer, stipends, Consent Decrees, ethics code - the list could on forever. We were promised public reports on the early retirement savings. That never happened.
Unless the issue is FOILable and unless a concerned citizen FOILs for it the town board tries to hide it from public
Mangold and Malone promised greater transparency. They lied.
Langley stopped the Q&A at town board meetings to continue the pattern.
Jim_C:
ReplyDeleteOur friend and neighbor, Jack Conway, has been making this point for years...there is no essential difference in East Greenbush politics between a Democrat and a Republican. Example after example proves it.
People complain about O'Brien, Mangold and Malone being, shall we say, less than fully honest. And then along comes DeFruscio with that stunning Martha ad in The Advertiser.
People used to complain all the time about that trailer. Republicans would write to the Building Inspector and threaten to file a complaint. I guess not any more.
People over on the Talks blog rant endlessly about how Mke Cristo started this and did that like he is, for them, the great satan. Meanwhile they conveniently ignore the exact same behavior from O'Brien, Mangold and Malone.
People get upset because Phil Malone has been labeled a punk. They conveniently forget the horrible gender specific things Ann Taylor has been called without a peep of protest from Ginny O'Brien and Sue Mangold.
I guess, when it comes to politics, the whole town is nuts and for those of us who just want lower taxes, quality information and a well run town we are forced to say: "A pox on both their houses".
I think there are very good reasons neither political party will run an issues based campaign. I think the reason is little to nothing separates the Dems and the Reps on the issues. All either party wants is to dine at the hog trough of taxpayer financed jobs for family and friends. And that, quite frankly, sucks. Big time.
Maybe one of these days there will be a truly autonomous and independent bunch of people who run for ofice as true public servants. But that day will have to wait for awhile.
Jim_C - I couldn't agree more. The problem is that both factions are good at only one thing - getting elected. If they put half the ingenuity into the problems of the town that they put into committees, petitions, primaries, campaigning and elections we would be in much better shape. But that's what makes it hard to envision an independent political movement in this town although that would shake things up. In the absence of such a movement our best bet is to affect the way the factions operate. That's why I got involved with the Board of Ethics. If (when?) we get a good Code of Ethics it will provide some constraints and help channel political action in a more positive direction. Another key is to reduce the size of town government. That is the surest way to lower town taxes. It would have the added benefit of eliminating some of the patronage positions available and take some of the incentive out of electioneering and towing the party line. But if a ludicrous tax rate, four years of junk bond status and being compared to Compton and Detroit didn't shake town residents out of their doldrums I don't know what will.
ReplyDeleteWelcome to the United States of America Jack. That's the way we do it here. This isn't Belfast.
DeleteElection Day comes, you pick your candidates and they represent us. Your reference to the two major parties as factions sounds very arrogant. If you want to be taken serious learn how to play the game, instead of taking your ball and going home when you don't get your way.
Dear 1:44 PM (Chris?),
DeleteAgain, nice try. Thank goodness, responsible voters in our great country don't share your views on "how to play the game." They prefer to make informed voting decisions based on coherent discussions of issues important to them.
Jack, I think you pegged exactly and precisely why Supervisor Langley stubbornly refuses to advance a financial plan for our town.
ReplyDeleteLangley sees patronage, nepotism and all the other inherent evils within our town as good things when it comes to getting elected.
His "don't rock the boat" lack of leadership is not a part of the solution but rather very much a part of the problem.
I also believe that, slowly but surely, concerned citizens are making inroads into the political system that has brought our otherwise fine town to the state it is in. That same political system seeks to hide the reality and then deny that same reality when it is exposed by others - as has so much been the case over the last few years.
I know our friends on Talks will go nuts but there is one, and only one, overpowering reason why O'Brien, Mangold and Malone refuse to support a real ethics code. And that reason is they will not conduct themselves in an ethical manner. And Sue Mangold's trite and, very frankly, idiotic statements about trust and honesty be damned.
I guess I hope Mangold gets elected to the county position. She can then go lie to the county at large instead of just we poor (by Hart family standards) suckers in town.
To 2:22 PM,
DeleteMangold has got my vote for County Leg. for the very reason you state. She has been the biggest obstacle for ethics reform in this town. I'm willing to take the chance if she leaves town hall for the county, that we will end up with a better ethics code for the town.
Anonymous at 2:22 p.m., I respectfully disagree. Mangold should not receive a single vote anywhere. She and her family relation Mike Botillo are cut from the same cloth. They only care about their own special "business" interests in the town, and now the county! She can remain in town hall as long as she is no longer part of the majority. To accomplish that, vote for DiMartino and Matters on Primary Day Sept. 10th, if you're eligible to vote, and in the general election on Nov. 5th. That's the way to defeat them and take back our town! Thank you.
DeleteAs a longtime fiscal conservative I would like to welcome Keith Langley to the ranks of fiscal responsibility. His letter in the most recent Advertiser seems to indicate that he wants to become our champion. Welcome, welcome, welcome Mr. Supervisor.
ReplyDeleteLike the prodigal son in the bible, I would like to celebrate your homecoming and forgive your transgressions of the past. I also eagerly await your Financial Plan which will prove your commitment.
For those who are concerned that Mr. Langley is just electioneering, please note that he does not mention any candidate in his letter. He may not be supporting the Republican Candidates, like last year when he supported Mary Pat Donnelly over Republican Jude Mulvey.
Anonymous 1:44: Thanks for the civics lesson. This isn't the first time you've accused me of taking my ball and going home. I assume you're referring to my resignation from the Board of Ethics. It's a shame you weren't able to understand my letter of resignation. Maybe I'll release a Cliff Notes version. I guess I should have stayed around and conspired in the patronage, nepotism and insider political trading you believe comes with winning local elections. Call me arrogant but I have no interest in learning to play your game. And you're right, this isn't Belfast, it's far more corrupt.
ReplyDeleteJack.. Because your party doesn't share your political ideology that's no reason for you to become so angry with the entire system. Please stop taking it out on the Republican Party because they believe in you.
DeleteI just paid a visit over on Pete Stenson's Democrat Talks blog. It appears they don't seem to share the same concerns about the fiscal crisis that currently looms over our town. Potential bankruptcy does not deter them one bit from their determination to maintain control over us for their personal benefits. Where will it all end?
ReplyDeletePrimary Day (Sept 10th) and Election Day (Nov 5th) will be the perfect opportunities to show the Dems they should be scared, very scared. Keep your eyes on the Advertiser in the coming weeks. Things are heating up and will soon be red hot as the candidates battle it out for control of the town. May the best candidates win or else God help us.
DeleteAnonymous 8:08: My academic career has been spent studying, teaching and writing about local politics in various locales. My training is in the analysis of political systems and culture. I may be wrong but that's what I believe I'm doing when I describe the problems in our town. You may have a point that I'm mad at the system but it's also important to realize that I'm not mad at anybody. What I'm trying to say is that the system is built a certain way and it almost doesn't matter who's in charge because the game is played according to assumptions and understandings shared by people on both sides.
ReplyDeleteParty affiliation is a shaky thing at the local level. Someone took offense at my use of the term 'factions' to describe the two main groups but I don't use that word to insult anyone but rather to indicate that the normal usage of the terms 'democrat' and 'republican' doesn't really apply at the local level. I'm a registered democrat but in town politics I support good ideas wherever they come from. I take a lot of stick from my democratic friends for writing on this blog but I like the Gadflies and enjoy the conversation here. I liked Keith Langley's piece in the Advertiser. I also wish it had been written a year ago but better late than never. I liked the decision-making apparatus that made the decision on the wastewater treatment issue and that was primarily an effort by the democratic majority led by Phil Malone. I think Sue Mangold's advocacy on behalf of Hampton Manor has really made a positive difference. I think we're going to miss both Rick Matters and Ginny O'Brien; I know we're going to miss their experience.
I don't think the issue is democrats versus republicans even though that's how candidates are selected and how we decide who will sit on the board. I think the issue is good ideas and positive change versus bad ideas and the same old recipe that got us into the financial mess we're in. I'll listen to all four candidates and vote for the two with the best ideas, regardless of their affiliation. But I don't like the system and now that it's campaign season I dread the nastiness that EG campaigns always seem to lapse into with personal attacks substituting for a detailed discussion of our problems. And that's not democrats or republicans, it's both.
Mr.Conway: There is an old saying,"Those who can do, those who can't teach". You admit that you are mad at the system and it's obviously clouding your thought process . Perhaps a few therapy sessions may calm you down a little. It works for me. Deep breath. Not so sure you have many Democrat friends anymore, just saying.
DeleteWrong you are Jack Conway. You express yourself in a liberal left wing way that is almost repulsive. As a fiscal conservative the notion of spending 15 million dollars upgrading our waste water treatment plant when far less expensive options are available to us to me is almost criminal. Only because a very partisan Democrat named Phil Malone is not man enough to work with people on the other side of the isle. Phil Malone rejects anything that would require him to find solutions to our problems that would include working with the Republican Party at a county level. Phil Malone wants to spend 15 million dollars of our money to pad the pockets of his friends and family, all at a time when this town is flat broke. Sue Mangold wants to spend over a million dollars to disrupt and inconvenience the motoring public around Hampton Manor pond to put a walking path around the pond. Yes Mangold wants to spend over million dollars on luxuries when this town is flat broke. What's money to Sue Mangold anyway, she's a Hart. Give us a break Jack get real.
DeleteAnonymous 10:57: That old cliché is often used by people to rationalize why they know less than the person they're criticizing. As for friends, well, I have a beautiful family, two gorgeous granddaughters, a wife I have been with for 44 years (38 married)and all the friends I need. If anyone or everyone in EG politics disliked me intensely it wouldn't make a single difference in my life. I'm still going to say what I think and let the chips fall where they will. As for therapy recommended by a blogger who lacks the emotional balance to use his or her real name, I don't think so. I'm just saying.
DeleteDear Jack,
ReplyDeleteI always enjoy your posts. Thank you for your time and consideration of these important issues.
Dear Gadfly,
I would normally be very concerned about Mr. Langley's letter that appeared in the August 29, 2013 Advertiser in which he wrote: "...my advice on fiscal prudence has apparently fallen on deaf ears as evidenced by the recent reports from numerous fiscal analysts who continue to warn the public of the precarious state of the town's finances. This includes the town's current junk-bond status and the danger of bankruptcy."
However, on a much brighter note, the same Mr. Langley told Dan Bazile, of NewsChannel 13 on August 9, 2013 that "...things are not getting worse. They're actually improving."
What is it Mr. Langley? Is the Town in "danger of bankruptcy" or are the Town's finances "actually improving."
I'm sure I'm not the only one looking forward to reading Mr. Langley's next report to the taxpayers.
On an even brighter note Rick McCabe is gone. Unable to continue handing out STIPENDS to his friends, family and yes even his greedy self. Unfortunately all those he mentored still remain behind to carry on his tradition. Phil Malone was his best student. In Phil Malone's interview with Dan Bazile he said that he has consulted with council over stipend repayment and said it wasn't worth collecting. See how well Rick McCabe taught him. I believe the OSC report stated that Rick McCabe owes the town an estimated $12,000 and should be paid back.
DeleteDear Mr. Moore,
ReplyDeletePerhaps Mr. Langley has found his "voice." The reality is that the majority has dumped a pile of issues in his lap, and it looks like he's going to use them. After all the Dem majority has let a stack of audit recommendations related to the Town and the Ambulance District over a ten year period go un-acknowledged and un-addressed. Had they been dealt with, the Town might not be in as bad a pickle as it's in. Remember, it was when the first Finance Committee started raising questions about a workload analysis and things like stupid spending, that it was "dismissed."
Gadfly: I admire and appreciate your work on behalf of the Town. I am absolutely stunned by your confidence in Supervisor Langley. I will pray that you are right. He should be aware that his candidates will not receive my vote based on promises, as the Supervisor did two years ago. I want to hear from all four candidates regarding fiscal issues.
DeleteI am a member of a "minor party" and I have heard from both Judge candidates. Based on those visits, it will be easy to cast an intelligent vote in the primary.
Not a word from any of the TB candidates. If they don't post or publish their fiscal plans, I will write in Don Johnson and Jack Conway as my choices.
I said "perhaps." The proof will be in the pudding, which in this case is a concise platform for his two Board candidates and, most importantly, his proposed budget. I've been saying that he needs better advice than he has been getting, and the Advertiser letter sounded like there was a new voice in the mix. We'll see. As I said earlier, the Majority has given the Republicans and "reformers" a stack of stuff in the issue department. Whether he knew it or not, it was issues which "reformers" developed which got Mr. Langley his leg up in his election. Maybe he's beginning to understand that.
Delete748. Stipends were going on for 25 years. McCabe stopped the practice . Not the gadflys who would and continue to lie. I'm sure McCabe would love to hear from you personally. You seem like such a stand up guy
ReplyDeleteWhat the people of this town would like is to hear personally from Rick McCabe as to when he is going to repay the the $12000 he took from the tax payers of our community. Being the self proclaimed stand up guy he claims to be.
DeleteRick McCabe stopped the practice when he got caught with his hands in the cookie jar.
Thank you for recognizing me as a stand up guy, you are slightly mistaken. I'm a stand up women, and would like to hear personally from Rick McCabe when he is going to repay his debt to the East Greenbush taxpayers. He owes us $12,000 it's that simple. Rick and "HIS" Democrat party destroyed our town.
DeletePerhaps Phil Malone will ask his mentor Rick McCabe when he is going to pay back the $12,000. Then maybe the both of them could swing by Tony Murphy's house for her check. It's said that she owes the town a substantial amount.
DeleteIf you look at the OSC audit report linked at the upper right list on the first page of the blog, I think you will find that the numbers are these for the former Supervisor and the Receiver of Taxes:
DeleteSupervisor - $10,000 in Stipends and $12,000 in Longevity/Sick-leave Incentive.
Receiver - $13,200 in Stipends and $27,000 in Longevity/Sick-leave Incentive.
That's a cool $62,200 to two elected officials in addition to salary and benefits for just the few years that OSC looked at. What else went out the door in the "25 years" that Anonymous at 10:51am mentioned?
I hope Scott Russo keeps writing.
ReplyDeleteI was talking with my hairdresser today, and she said the people coming in are talking about the financial trouble plaguing EG. These are not blog people, so I attribute their knowledge to Mr Russo.
Anyone who believes former supervisor McCabe stopped the stipends must also believe in the tooth fairy. To quote John McEnroe: "You can't be serious".
ReplyDeleteThe stipends stopped for the exact same reason other things got straightened out in East Greenbush - activist citizens used the Freedom of Information Act to discover, uncover and report to the public things the politicians have been hiding for years.
Rick McCabe, in addition to granting himself huge stipends, also gave his daughter tax payer's money in the form of stipends.
It must be nice huh?
The whole stipend mess confirmed that old saying: "One lies; and the other swears to it."
And to the blog commenter who believs that 25 years of wrong doing turns an illegal practice into a legal practice...your are, as politely as I know how to say, incorrect. Disagree?
The stipend issue is one that MOST voters can understand. I hope the Reps have enough common sense to remind the people that the money has never been repaid. Another way to think of it, the money was STOLEN!
ReplyDeleteThings are far worse than we thought. Rick McCabe not only ran East Greenbush into the ground, and took the taxpayers money for himself, his family, and his friends. His own people said that he is responsible for Katrina , the Hatian earthquake, Lindbergh kidnapping, bad tv shows and all the dark secrets of the flies. Rick you really made a mess of things.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry though. Once Malone gets done sinking the ship you won't look so bad. Keep your gin up, I mean chin up.
If stealing tax payer money wasn't enough, or abusing town government at every opportunity for their own benefit, Mr. Condo, Mr. Van Wormer, Mr. Stenson and Mr. O'Brien over on the talks blog have stooped to a new low. No matter what they think of some people, a little compassion is in order. Hitting a man who has been through as much as he's been through is too low for even democrats. Is control that important that you have no level that you won't lower yourselves to? Take the comments down, focus on this election and the people in it. That man doesn't need to be mentioned. Maybe it's time to start exposing all the secrets about your families, your tragedies, your embarrassments. Focus on relevant people in this election and leave a man who's been through two difficult ordeals alone. Grow up or at least read the comments before you post them. The four of you learned from a guy on your side who doesn't need to be mentioned either. East Greenbush Talks represents everything that is wrong with the democratic party in East Greenbush, East Greenbush politics and the four town parasites who run it. Enough is enough guys, stop hiding behind your party and try promoting your candidates rather than beating everyone else down. Try that!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous @ 8:41 p.m. they have to stoop to disgusting tactics like this because they CAN'T run on the issues. They know they have ruined the town financially and they don't have a clue what to do to fix it, they don't even want to fix it, they just want business as usual, so they have to brutally attack the candidates and their families. It's literally all they have. If anyone has any questions about something they're reading on a blog, contact the candidates and ask them personally. It's only decent thing to do.
DeleteI'm new to the Town but not to Town finance. Before the Town bleeds to death, the financial system and records need to fixed and the Comptroller's Office needs the resources to focus on the Town's financial issues. Figure extra staffing for two years to restore financial integrity to the Town's books and to develop and implement remedial actions. Speaking of which, the Town was required to submit a Corrective Action Plan following the OSC Audit. Where is it? Finally, the Town should commit to austerity budgets until a Remedial Plan is in place, preferably with bi-Partisan support. That means no long-term investments with long-term paybacks. Keep up with the finger pointing and you might as well change the Town's name to the Titanic!
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