In case you haven't reviewed the Supervisor's Tentative Budget yet, here is the link to it: http://eastgreenbush.org/downloads/cat_view/43-comptroller
Now that you've had a chance to look at it, I'm just wondering if any of the following items jumped out at you or made you wonder. This is not an exhaustive list, feel free to chime in with your own observations. (Water and Sewer funds have not been reviewed.) Maybe one of the readers will be able to fill in some of the gaps, because the budget is important. It looks like the Supervisor has tentatively found a way to keep things moving in Town without making us pay more. Of course, there are a number of steps that still remain in the process before the budget goes from Tentative to Actual, and that's why this is the time to begin talking about it. When it comes time for the Public Hearing and the election you want to be as informed as possible. Hopefully this post is a small part of that preparation. In no particular order:
There's a separate expense line this
year called "Library-2012 Arrears" for $40,160. Arrears for what?
The Bruen (East Greenbush Ambulance) tax levy remains the same as last year at $671,913. Estimated revenue is $400K, also the same as last year, but this is $330K DOWN
from the previous 2 years, and the tax levy is about $330K more than in those previous two years. Why? Bruen revenues are basically down 50%
while tax levies are up 50%. What changed in 2 years?
And why doesn't Bruen provide the
same level of detailed information that the rest of the budget provides? At least with the
library you can go to their outdated web site of proposed budgets (the last budget info on the site is the "proposed" 2013 budget,
produced in September 2012) and see some potentially important things. You get nothing from Bruen
except a page at the end of the tentative budget showing no
expenditures except Contractual Expenses (which are up $160K from 2012),
Workers Comp and LOSAP retirement expenses. There must be more. And look at Bruen's
Revenue: their property tax revenue went up $196,000 from 2012, and ambulance charges more than doubled in that time, from $191K to $400K. Notice also that
2012 final and 2013 projected lines show no LOSAP expenses. Why? Why? And why?
General
Fund Expenditures: Independent
auditing is still budgeted even though they haven't produced a damn
thing yet; the Tax Collector Personal Salary line shows the greatest increase of all the Town Hall positions: up about
7 or 8 % to $56,300 even though the salary of the tax collector is
supposed to be $56,800. Where's the other $500 going?
And what has the position acquired in terms of duties to justify such a large increase?
The Attorney salary line is down $20K while the Contractual Expense line is up $11.7K. Why?
The Data Processing salary line is down $3K but Contractual Expenses are up $20K. Why?
Judgment
and Claims CE (hired attorneys?) went from $92K
in 2012 to a projected $23.00 (yes, $23.00) this year, but projected to be $20,000K next
year. Why?
We have a Contingency fund of $110,00 this year- none last year or 2012. That's good.
You never know what life is going to throw at you.
Association of Towns meeting expenses will be cut by 2/3 if the Supervisor has his way, from $5.5K to $2K.
Assessor salary and Contractual Expenses lines both show decreases, with CE down by $65K. Why?
Parks/Playground Salaries and CE consume more than $200K a year. Seriously?
Youth Programs eat up $90K a year. Are we getting a good return on this? Are we changing lives? Maybe yes, maybe no, but it's a lot of money and the question needs to be asked.
Beautification of the Town and Band concerts get only $1,000. Veterans get $3K and the elderly get $4,500. Given the above Parks/Recreation/Youth expenditures, these 3 pittances stand out as way different. A lot.
Planning Dept. Contractual Expenses are massively down this year (to $0) from last year's $95K and projected to be only $34K next year. Why?
State
Retirement is up from $149K last year to almost $484 next year. Fire
and Police Retirement similarly go from $181K last year to $582K next
year. Social Security
contributions, a measure of wage increases or an increase in the numbers of employees, have remained fairly steady, hovering around
$300K. So why the big increases in the other things?
Health Insurance Longevity Buy-Out is cut in half next year, down $47K.
Bond Anticipation Payments (debt) are dramatically down this year and next, from $108K to $20K. Why?
The Total salary line is fairly steady at about $4 million, while benefits are up by about $700,000.
Total Revenues
are down $130,000 from last year, and more than $600,000 from 2012. It seems we are stagnating, maybe even contracting. Safety inspection fees are
down by half, Planning Board fees (for filings ) are down by 25%. In a growing economy these numbers would be going up, not down.
Scrap
metal sales are down about 50% both this year and next. People might be doing
their own scrapping to make a few bucks. Doubtful that scrap price per ton is down that much...but maybe. Worth mentioning, given the Town's sketchy scrap past.
County sales tax revenue is projected to be up $100K next year. This is a good thing.
Finally, on the bottom
line of the Revenue page: we showed a net surplus of $937,775 in 2012, and
we are projecting an even bigger surplus of $1.1 million this year, with
next year slated to be $0. So where's the extra money been
going for the last two years? Debt payments are down, a lot. Go back and look at previous
years' General Fund surpluses: $431K in 2009; $113K in 2010; $153K in
2011; $937K in 2012, with this year slated to be even bigger. How is this
possible? And don't forget, 2012 was the last year of the "State Aid" handout: $847,675 that year! This year it was only $6,048 and next year
nothing. Somehow this tentative budget absorbs that blow and comes out smelling like a rose. And we've been collecting more than we're spending by what, 15% of our General Fund levies both this year
and last, yet we're considered near
bankruptcy (by one guy) and still a junk bond credit risk (by lots of guys) ? Something isn't adding
up.
Here's where you help add to the questions, or add to the clarity of the 2014 Tentative Budget:
How about asking the Supervisor instead of us?
ReplyDeleteThat way you could enlighten us all with his answers instead of merely posing rhetorical questions.
The time to ask the Supervisor is usually at the public hearing. As I already mentioned, the post is a way to get people thinking about the tentative budget in preparation for that event. I would guess that in many cases the details might slip under the radar without some attention. The hope is that people like you could perhaps enlighten yourself without being spoon fed? Also, a lot of "us" know as much as the Supervisor but are free to operate without the need to politically massage the answers. (I am not one of "us," that's why I pose the questions.) Certainly you know how government works by now. That's not faulting the Supervisor, it's just a political reality. Besides, I tried to set up a meeting with this Supervisor once before but he wasn't interested. And did you know that sometimes you can ask Supervisors direct questions only to find out later that some things aren't quite the way they described them? It's true. * Oh, by the way, a rhetorical question doesn't expect an answer. It's used to make a point only. I expect answers to legitimate budget questions. I'm guessing you don't have any, anonymous.
ReplyDeleteDid Ginny O'Brien step down from the town board yet?
Deleteand who does Dwight expect to answer here?
DeleteDear Gadfly,
DeleteWith all due respect, we don't need to be enlightened. Supervisor Langley's budget speaks for itself. All we need to do now is elect his candidates to the Town Board that he needs to make his government run for the residents of East Greenbush. Let's give Keith, Deb and Maryann a chance. They don't need to answer these, or any other, questions. The questions will be answered by the actions taken by the new Republican majority once they get elected.
1:47- I agree. Once Supervisor Langley's people get elected, all questions must stop. They must do the work Supervisor Langley wants done without any interference. That is the American way!
Delete'With all due respect, Anonymous, it appears that you really don't "get it." We haven't made it this far in the reform of Town government by not asking questions, but by asking them. And the list of issues and questions which Dwight has laid out there for review deserves to be addressed.
DeleteHow about the change in the revenue sources at Bruen? Doesn't that interest you? Those numbers are bouncing all over the place. And with all the OSC findings over the years on the Ambulance District (which is the Town Board), without an audit (EVER) of Bruen the contractor, the ones who pay the bills for this service (US) have every right to ask questions.
I think Keith, Mary Ann and Deb deserve every chance to get it right. But there is no way on God's green earth that they can see every issue that there is to see. One of the mistakes that I believe the current Supe made at the beginning of his administration is not surrounding himself with a good selection of "question askers." You don't solve complex, or even simple problems without a good comprehensive understanding of what the issues are.
Dwight's questions are excellent questions, and they deserve answers. It's just a simple annotation of the budget presentation.
------dj
Dear Gadfly 227pm- Keith and his people deserve a chance to serve the residents of East Greenbush without having to answer questions from people outside of government. If they need any help they will ask for it. They need to be left alone to do their important work.
DeleteI'm really beginning to wonder about the quality of the civics education in our schools.
DeleteEast Greenbush has a lengthy not so honorable mention in this Times Union article, http://www.timesunion.com/default/article/Ethics-laws-outdated-not-used-4872622.php.
ReplyDeleteEast Greenbush has 58 employees of the Town's 176 employees with the same last name as someone else on the Town's payroll....and that's just relatives with the same last name. Ethics are apparently foreign in East Greenbush and there appears to be no change in that anytime soon.
and your point is ?? Why is it so "Unethical" to have siblings or father/son work for the same company ?? Explain please
DeleteDid you see Keith Langley's photo front and center in the Times-Union article. Keith is the most ethical person I know. He was listening attentively to everything Jack Conway had to say. Keith is a wonderful listener. You can count on Keith.
ReplyDeleteThank You Supervisor Langley for your 0% increase. Your tentative budget with no increase to the tax levy benefits every taxpayer in our town. For that I am thankful and believe your efforts are making a positive difference for everyone.
ReplyDeleteI also Thank You for your steadfast support of a strong Ethics code for our town and for your expressed support of Jack Conway for all the fine work he has done to advance ethics in East Greenbush.
Keep up the good work.
To 12:53 PM-
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more.
Well, we just went over 100,000 page views in the year and a half that we've been here.
ReplyDeleteYou have the same 10 people hitting the site 20 times a day there Donnie Boy.
DeleteAt least enough to keep the Talks boys and girls apoplectic - and produce some needed change in the Town government.
Delete4:37.....Including you, apparently.
DeletePurely for entertainment, not being disrespectful but most of what is written here is Just Democrat Bu*l sh*t .
DeleteAnonymous 1:47:
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect no budget 'speaks for itself.' Dwight has pointed to some interesting aspects of a budget that is only tentative at this point. It has to be passed by the full board which means it will be changed. It's a very healthy exercise to find more cuts so that when some things are restored we can still have little or no tax increase. If you read Dwight's post carefully there are some things that seem fuzzy. The reason the law requires the board to hold a public budget hearing is because citizen participation is considered integral to the process.
Anonymous 2:04:
"All questions must stop?" It's funny that you described the Russian way and called it American. The essence of our system is that our elected representatives answer to us, not the other way around. I can see wanting your candidates to win but 'all questions must stop?" A town board that's doing a great job will always welcome questions from concerned citizens because it's our government not theirs. If Keith Langley gets a majority he deserves the same level of scrutiny from citizens that his predecessor got. If he's the man you say he is then he will be able to answer every question with a good answer.
Dear Jack:
DeleteWith all due respect, I believe you are wrong. The residents of East Greenbush will elect Keith, Deb and Maryann to do what they believe is right. If the residents don't like what they are doing, they can vote them out at the next election. That is the American way. Keith and his people should not be bogged down by smarmy questions and unwarranted criticisms after they are elected.. The residents need to trust Keith to do the right thing.
Is our American way of government a Republic or a Democracy?
Delete"The right of the people to petition the government for the redress of grievances shall not be infringed." This phrase from our founding documents has been historically interpreted to support the active participation of citizens in government. Take the citizens nose out of the ongoing governing process and you leave the lobbyists and moneyed interests running things. Again, where did you get your American civics education?
DeleteNot only with a good answer Jack, but an honest answer. That goes for anyone sitting on the board. Even if you don't have an answer when asked you should do everything in your power to find the decent answer in a respectable amount of time.
DeletePeople need to realize that Keith, Deb and Mary Ann need to bring government back to the people without being interrupted by a lot of questions.
ReplyDeleteJack, with all due respect, we trusted our Town Board and Supervisor in the past and we were robbed. They stole tax payers dollars and then padded their pensions too. Some of us have learned the very hard way that we cannot give blind trust to our elected officials. Even a politician once said, "Trust but verify". Keith, since being elected, has made questionable decisions that would lead some of us to NOT trust him. He has agreed to many of the job appointments. Keith Keith has also dictated to some employees what they can/can't do on personal time and who they can/can't associate with so Keith does not deserve blind trust.
ReplyDeleteGadfly 6:35 PM Why don't you get with the program. Don't you understand how important this election is. The Town residents need to have the Keith Langley team elected. You said that yourself. Or are you now flipping back to the Dems?. It doesn't help the Keith team to ask all of these questions right now. That's why Keith stopped questions at Board meetings. Keith's strategy is working. Why can't you trust them? Please don't be so cynical.
ReplyDeleteReal questions and real answers are essential to honest government. After all, aren't MaryAnn and Deb in favor of "zero-based" budgeting? That's a budgeting methodology which uses real-time FACTS to derive what should be spent on specific budget categories. I think I'm having a "conversation" with a Malone operative at this point, someone trying to characterize the Rep candidates as people who will close their office doors after the election. Nice try.
DeleteDear Gadfly 7:14 PM-
DeleteI am most assuredly not a Malone supporter. I am a registered Republican. However, I am familiar with much of what the individual you are "conversing" with is saying, although I certainly don't agree with it. This argument is similar to the points Ed Gilbert made in an interesting blog thread he engaged in with Dwight Jenkins some time ago on one of Dwight's old blogs.
Gadfly, you may well be having a "conversation" with a Malone operative, but I just wanted to let you know that this point of view also has some cred among certain Republicans as well, particularly in regards to a deliberate Keith/Chris "strategy." of being unresponsive to most questions.
Keep the faith.
I'm a bit amazed by some of the "purposeful" ignorance exhibited by some comments here. Some of it is positively blissful. Here's (what I believe is) a fact for you. East Greenbush has more emergency fire vehicles in service than Albany and Troy combined - all paid for by our 17,000 residents. I believe that this includes at least 7 Chief's vehicles. What's the combined population of Albany and Troy? And doesn't that raise a question for you about the "wisdom and judgement" of local boards of fire commissioners? Their decisions hit your tax bill, if you look at the Town's budget document. So if you think taxes are high here, the local districts have something to do with it.
ReplyDeleteI'm a bit amazed at you not to realize that anything posted on these blogs between now and Election Day is all meaningless chatter. I was also told at a fund raiser on Sunday that the Harts are going to buy this election. Do you honestly think they are going to let East Greenbush run in any way that doesn't serve their interest?
DeleteYou are wasting your thought on all this, they get what they want when they want it.
I don't remember asking the candidates or even the Supervisor to answer any of the questions posed. Nothing on this blog should slow any of them down. I asked people reading this to think about the questions that any thinking person would have upon reviewing the budget. Lawyers read this blog, politicians read it, current and former Town employees read it, accountants and managers read it- all of them. Maybe some have some perspective to add. For instance, take the very first item on the list: $40,160 you'll be paying for 2012 "Library Arrearage." Today I asked library director Evelyn Butrico what that referred to. Her response to me? "As for the arrearage for 2012 it is best to speak with the Town. The Library received the full amount that was approved by the voters in 2012." Interesting answer. Any normal taxpayer might want to know more, so I have sent new Comptroller Pete Stenson an e-mail requesting explanation. No candidates need waste their time thinking about it, and no campaigns have been derailed yet. Dwight
ReplyDeleteGadfly 6:59 pm,
ReplyDeleteNow you're going after the Fire Chiefs vehicles. Geez Louise! Isn't there anything you like about this Town? The Chiefs need their vehicles to effectively supervise their firefighters. You need to stop wasting time by raising so many questions and be thankful that the residents care so much for the Town by electing good fire commissioners that recognize the need for the vehicles.
Just asking a reasonable question which should be considered by those of us who pay for them - in the context of what other communities consider necessary to provide the same service. Don't you ever do "comparative shopping?" It's fair to ask the question about the wisdom of decisions. Put the question out there and let the decision be defended with some facts. Chiefs could be paid mileage and given a magnetic blue light.
DeleteGadfly,
DeleteThe average EG town voter doesn't care about all of these questions. They just vote for the people they superficially know who make vague promises about what they will do if they get elected..The workings of Town government doesn't really matter much to them.
That's the name of that tune.
Just might be one of the reasons we're in the trouble we're in. Nobody paying attention.
DeleteAnonymous 7:17pm.
DeleteThe fire commissioners get elected by the same set of firemen that are in the firehouse, very few town residents actually vote in those elections, even though they can. Very few people, in fact almost nobody that isn't some way associated with the fire house votes in those elections. So who actually elects the fire commissioners?
So what's wrong with that? Are you familiar with the political science concept of "silent assent?"
DeleteWhen people are generally happy with the way things are, they tend to defer decision making (including voting) to those already in power. Sort of an "if it ain't broke, don't need to fix it" attitude.
Gadfly, I think you are a frustrated, wanna be Supervisor whose time never came. Of course, we also can't forget that you are also a Democrat, which may explain why the tone of DJs "Just Wondering" piece sounds a lot like he is trying to create doubt in the Supervisor's ability to run the town. Please also don't forget that the Supervisor and Councilman Matters have never been in the majority on the board, so you must suspect that everything they're doing this election year is designed to cause the majority to beef up the budget, maybe even demand another tax increase. What better way to tick off the residents and motivate them to vote for a new majority. My point is that four weeks before the election is NOT the time to question the Supe's budget BUT if you must question it, ask Supe Langley and Councilman Matters for answers, not a bunch of anonymous bloggers, including myself, who don't have a clue how to answer DJs tough questions. No matter what, I'm voting for MA Matters and DiMartino because they represent our BEST hope right now for positive change. I agree with another blogger, give them a chance and if they don't come through for us in four years, vote them out. We have everything to gain by this course of action and absolutely nothing to lose.
ReplyDelete7:30 PM- I changed the title for you. I got rid of the "Just Wondering," since it causes you so much angst. Hate to tell you but 4 weeks before the election is the ONLY time to question it, since that's the way the budget process works! Fact is, the budget seems good to me, but there are still some things that just plain look interesting! Langley and Matters, Sue, Phil and Ginny (?) can take these questions and ruminate on them if they want, or ignore them, I don't really care. They will get their opportunity to be addressed directly at the Public Hearing. If they're wise they'll appreciate hearing from outsiders ahead of time. It could give them all a heads up when it comes time for that public hearing. Do you really think the people you oppose so strongly will meekly assent to this budget? The "Tentatives" always get changed. Forewarned is forearmed, but it really is "just wondering," and you are making way too much out of it. My questioning of a certain few aspects of the Tentative budget in no way interferes with Mrs. Matters' or Ms. DiMartino's campaign, nor does it give advantage, aid or comfort to the Democratic candidates. It is absolutely a value-neutral post and you should stop trying to spin it otherwise. Anyone paying taxes in East Greenbush should be able to relate to these questions. They all come with a long history. You sound like the Congressional Democrats in their defense of the Affordable Care Act: just vote it into law and then we'll tell you what's in it. How's that working out?
ReplyDeleteDwight
Now your bashing the congressional Democrats? Are you kidding?
DeletePerfect example: just got notified of the following 4/18/12 Town Board Meeting Resolution dealing with that Library arrearage. It was a clerical error from two years ago that we're just now fixing. No hidden agendas, no politics, just a clerical error. Everything else on that list is probably just as innocuous. Why tie up any of the Board members with piddly stuff like this? The answer came from one of you. Dwight
ReplyDelete58-2012 Resolution Amending 2012 Library Budget
WHEREAS, due to a clerical error the 2012 Library Budget was submitted to the County incorrectly as $1,409,105 and the correct amount should have been $1,449,265, and
WHEREAS, Rensselaer County requires an amended 2012 budget; now therefore
BE IT RESOLVED that the 2012 Budget be amended to properly reflect the 2012 Library Tax Levy of $1,449,265; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Town Comptroller is authorized to pay the difference in the levy ($40,160) to the East Greenbush Library; and
The foregoing Resolution was duly moved by Councilperson O’Brien and seconded by Councilperson Mangold and brought to a vote resulting as follows:
Councilperson O’Brien VOTED YES
Councilperson Mangold VOTED YES
Supervisor Langley VOTED YES
Councilperson Matters VOTED YES
Councilperson Malone VOTED ABSENT
Of course Malone was absent!
DeleteI would like every single reade to Google Obama quotes about citizen involvemmt in givernment. Please report bck here what you find.
ReplyDeleteElected people in office represemt us they do NOT rule over us. Can you grasp that critical distinction?
People doing a good job typically love being asked questions. People doing a bad job typically try to avoid questions.
Change is a good thing. Malone, Mangold and O'Brien have had their shot - and failed miserably. Miserably.
Matters and DiMartino deserve a shot with Langley in the majority.
You are absolutely right Anon. 9:12 pm. Our elected officials should represent the community.
DeleteDo you remember when Phil Malone stated in public at a town board meeting that he along with Mangold and O'Brien are the majority and what WE (meaning the majority) want passes.
How's that for "representing" the people of our town?
Did you happen to catch town board candidate Bottillo's comment in last weeks advertiser. He claims he looks forward to working with the board majority, not our town Supervisor. Is that what you really want? Let's hope not.
I want our town board working with our town Supervisor, solving our common problems, representing our town, and EVERYONE in it.
I to will be supporting DiMartino and Matters for town board. They really do represent the smart choice for a "Smart Way Forward" to represent us all.
To 9:12 PM,
ReplyDeleteYour post might very well explain why Supervisor Langley has prohibited questions from being asked by citizens at Town Board meetings.
Thank you.
Dwight (10/7) point well taken. The last sentance of your post convinced me.
ReplyDeleteDJ, stop allowing the talks blog from polluting the message that you attempt to portray here on the fly. Supportive people post here and then you allow the hacks from talks to post here and bash anyone desiring reform.
ReplyDelete7:40 PM:
ReplyDeleteThat's right. The Gadfly should only post messages that meet with your approval.
No, not saying that at all. Simply saying, if you are for the status quo of sucking the East Greenbush taxpayer dry, then the talks blog would be a more appropriate venue.
DeleteI understand there is a strip club to be built at 720 Columbia Tpke. There is a meeting at Town Hall at 7:30 PM tonight-Oct 8, concerning 2 life size silhouettes to be built on that property. The applicant is requesting 3 Area Variances.
ReplyDeleteAnyone interested should be at this meeting. A Strip Club in East Greenbush? I hope not. I I
I don't see any meetings scheduled tonight. I do see a Planning Board meeting tomorrow night. On the agenda is "The Sign Studio/Planet Fitness" at 609 Columbia Turnpike. They are seeking 3 area variances, including signage. Public Hearing scheduled for 11/12/13. Go to the Planning Board web site.
ReplyDeleteAs for the 7:40 AM comment, the only message I seek to portray here (and I almost never put anything on here, though I do read regularly) is a presentation of interesting items that might otherwise get overlooked, items that could be important to all of us that pay taxes. As for differing points of view on here? Who cares. If your logic and facts aren't strong enough to overcome stupid rants, you don't have much to work with, do you?
Take the library for instance: I just came from there, reviewing their board minutes. Did you know that in December 2012 they voted to retain the law firm of Whiteman, Osterman & Hanna ($2,000 initial retainer that you paid for, plus however much more to get it resolved) "to provide counsel to the Library on the question of 2012 Property Tax Arrears billing." On 1/15/13 the library minutes state that "A letter has been sent to the Town regarding the $40,000 discrepancy in the tax billing." Two days ago the library Director told me that the library has essentially been paid in full. So why does the disputed $40,160 appear again in this year's proposed tax levy? We underpaid the library in 2012, overpaid them by a similar amount last year to make up for it, and yet it looks like we're getting ready to do it again. As a taxpayer, not a party hack on either side, I'd like to know why. If it's an honest mistake: no big deal. Just come out with a statement that says it was a mistake and then take it off the Tentative budget and re-post the update to the Comptroller's site. Simple. No political advantage either way. But what if someone had missed it? Stipends got missed. And speaking of the Comptroller, Mr. Stenson got back to me about an hour ago, basically confirming my understanding, I think. Thank you Pete for the prompt response. Look forward to the follow up.
Dwight
I think the Zoning Board meets tonight with the variance issue on the agenda.
DeleteSo Dwight, what you are saying is that we have paid them twice?
DeleteJim, I think it means the 2014 tentative budget plans to tax us again, accidentally, for what we were already taxed on last year. Last year's library levy was $40K over what the taxpayers voted on at the library budget vote in September. That should have made up for the shortfall from the year before, which was accidentally about $40K too low, using library levy numbers from the previous year by mistake. Dwight
ReplyDeleteDear Mr. Jenkins:
DeleteThanks for the posts. It is good to read that Mr. Stenson is willing to re-examine aspects of Mr. Langley's tentative budget upon the request of concerned residents to make sure things are done correctly. That's why its called a tentative budget. Good for you Mr. Stenson and good news for the East Greenbush taxpayers.
Dear Mr. Jenkins:
ReplyDeleteNice catch. It looks like Mr. Stenson appears willing to go over Mr. Langley's tentative Budget to check for any additional posting errors. Good for Mr. Stenson and good for the taxpayers.
As they say, that's why it's called a Tentative Budget. It's important to get it right before the final vote. After all, this is public money we're talking about here.
Come on everybody, let's bitch about something else, this budget stuff is boring. Picking apart a 0% increase just doesn't get the juices flowing.
ReplyDeleteYou might want to examine the increase in the school taxes you just got held up for. Talk about getting taxed to death. It's more than 1/2 my total tax bill and I don't even have any kids in the school. Gee Wiz!!
@ 6:20 - this is a blog and it is for discussion. Dwight has given some food for thought and citizens are weighing in with their thoughts. This is not "bitching". Are you maintaining that as long as a proposal has a 0% increase it should not be examined?
DeleteI'm guessing that there is a school district blog if that is your passion or maybe you could start one.
As far as your stagnent jucies are concerned, hold on a bit. I hear EG will soon have a strip club.
6:20 AM is correct. Since the budget stuff is boring, it should not be examined. Sorry to read about your non-flowing juices.
DeleteYeah are school taxes are a joke, as in way too high!!! Guess what they plan on closing Genet too!!! So why did they just vote in a bunch of repairs for the school this past May if they were going to close it?
DeleteGenet is staying opened, thank you school board, are taxes are still too high though.
DeleteJim C. ~ Now School Superintendent Nagle wants to raise our school TAXES even HIGHER to keep Genet open, even though student enrollment doesn't support it.
DeleteJust paid my EGCSD taxes! OMG!!
ReplyDeleteDon't forget to register for STAR! http://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/property/star13/default.htm
Did the strip joint pass last night at zoning? " Go Girls "
ReplyDeleteWill the signs be allowed for the strip club?
ReplyDeleteIs there a strip club? I hope not. I think the Town is still better than that.
ReplyDeleteAre we really getting a strip club?
ReplyDeleteAny word if Ginny O'Brien has resigned from the town board now that she doesn't live in our town any longer?
ReplyDeleteI really do hate to bore some of you with more of this stuff, but an update is in order: the Library Director got in touch me me today and confirmed that the library had in fact contacted the foremost Library Law and Legislation firm in New York, Whiteman, Osterman and Hanna. While the library board was prepared to spend $2000 on a retainer, it turned out to be unnecessary, as Whiteman did the work pro bono. They were not the ones to send the January 2013 tax letter to the Town. That letter was sent by then-Library Board President William Colgan. I have FOIL'ed that letter and have been told that I should have it within a few days. You can't tell me that a Library vs Town Hall tax battle involving a prestigious law firm like Whiteman doesn't get your juices flowing. Not possible. And just think: there are still about 20 more interesting items to go!
ReplyDeleteNow is the time, people. When the Public Hearing rolls around the Tentative will have become the Preliminary, only hours or days away from the Final Budget. You can comment, complain, and ask all you want at the Public Hearing, but I doubt that any Prelim budget has ever been influenced much by anything said that night. It's all pro forma by then, but not pro bono: you will be paying, even on what might well be an excellent, no-increase budget.
We now return to our regular strip-club programming. Dwight
I know what I'm bored with. Phil Malone and all his BULLSH*T !!
DeleteThat bunch have sucked our town dry. They bankrupted us.
Why hasn't the majority that says "what we pass, passes" been paying attention to the zoning code and made sure that stuff like strip clubs get sited down by the river or out in the boonies?
ReplyDeleteLooks like they've been more interested in employing their relatives than taking care of the community at large.
The thought of a strip club on 9&20 has about as much appeal as the thought of Bottillo (Hart) and Vallee being involved with our town government.
ReplyDeleteWe need to clean up our town government, not ad to the arrogance, and deception that exist with this Malone lead board majority.
RED FLAG FOLKS....If the placement of the large Bottillo / Vallee political signs around town doesn't send a message of STATUS QUO than you just don't understand what's going on here.
ReplyDeleteEvery one of those signs sit on Hart, Malone, and Maney properties.
Have you had enough of feeding their family business's, and their friends at our expense ?
Simple solution. Don't vote for their candidates.
And most of those signs sit on dilapidated run down properties too. I would be ashamed to post my sign where their signs are posted
DeleteI am a Conservative and was pretty much decided to vote for Maryann Matters thinking that she was likely to be somewhat independent and thoughtful. Today's Advertiser has caused me some great concern in that area. Langley endorses Matters and DiMartino and talks about what they will do if they win. I would like to offer a few thoughts on that possibility:
ReplyDelete1. We do not need a "change" to a different three person majority who will then "pass what they pass". The change we need is change to a five person Board who will work together and deliberate with all five elected officials for the good of the town.
2. Unity of opinion pledged before issues are considered renders the consideration to be kind of sham. If Matters, DiMartino, and Langley will always cast the same vote, then we really don't need all three of them. They are a five person Board because Town Law requires the independent deliberations of five people. It is not a smart way forward to set ourselves up for four more years of one party rule. We need an independent tie breaker.
3. The minority is not always wrong. This is true whether it is a democratic or a republican majority. Our system of government only works when the loyal minority voices their valid concerns and the concerns are heard and, occasionally implemented. Langley failed as a minority board member.
4. Langley has demonstrated a lack of enthusiasm for the job with his frequent absence and poor attendance at community events. He also relies heavily on DeFruscio for guidance and leadership. I do not believe he has the abilities necessary to work effectively with the financial control board as suggested in today's advertiser.
As for the opinion of the usually lovable Gadfly that advocating for two candidates who are not of the same party is just "vote splitting", consider this: maybe we should all begin to vote for the candidate who will do the best job!
Please don't rely on William P. Malone's rendition of Councilman Matters telephone incident at work. The Malone's are certainly in NO position to throw stones at anyone. If you want to know more about it, do Councilman Matters the courtesy of calling him. His trouble at work in no way sullies his excellent reputation for caring about the town, and has nothing whatsoever to do with his wife. Phil Malone is DESPERATE right now to hold onto the town but if he could have found anyone else to put their names on the mean-spirited, personal attacks he is putting in the Advertiser, he would not have had to ask a family member to do his bidding for him. That's why BOTH articles about Councilman Matters and Supervisor Langley were penned by the Malones. Gimme a break.
DeleteThe usually lovable Gadfly would suggest that Ms. Vallee could exhibit a bit of ability to distance herself from Boss Malone to make your final suggestion viable. That would make it interesting. But I do agree that if all we get with a Mary Ann and Deb victory next month is another version of machine politics, we're no better off. Mr. Langley could do well by distancing himself from a couple of usual cronies.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Malone, isn't it a bit "oxymoronic" to see William Malone holding forth on "ethics?"
DeleteBravo - totally agree with your take on Langley "distancing himself" from the people who have no business in local politics !
DeleteGadfly, we'll never know if "a Mary Ann and Deb victory next month is another version of machine politics," if we don't give them a chance. I am extremely eager to see what a Langley, DiMartino and Matters MAJORITY can do. Can we really afford to blow off this opportunity for change? What's the alternative? A Botillo/Vallee victory guarentees that nothing will change because bossman Malone won't let it change. We'll have more of the same and the town will be at a much higher risk of bankruptcy. The devil you know is not the answer on Nov 5. Let's go with DiMartino and Matters and HOPE and PRAY that we are all elated with our choices on Election Day. This is what makes the most sense to me.
DeleteI agree with you, except that I get a little nervous about some "machine like" connections which still persist with the Republicans. I just don't believe that there has been a "conversion" to reform yet. The Supervisor's budget is a good sign. But a Resolution to recoup the illegal stipends, longevity and sick-leave would be a more welcome sign. Malone is on the ropes. Go for it.
DeleteDear Gadfly:
DeleteYour point is well taken. We saw Chris DeFruscio headed down towards Supervisor Langley's office today right after the pre-board meeting. Was he giving Keith his instructions for next weeks Town Board meeting?
Malone is far from "on the ropes". Rather - Defruscio is on the ropes.
DeleteHis allegiance to the County republican "machine" is well known and clearly visible. Chris and his foolish, childish stunts are the ball and chain that the EG Republicans must overcome.
Malone is through. His own people have him in the crosshairs.
DeleteDear 5:16 PM
DeleteI would like to agree with you. I know and like Mary Ann Matters very much. I don't know Deb DiMartino.
My continuing concern is with the close and enduring "riding around in the truck" relationship between Keith Langley and Chris DeFrsucio.
The Langley/DeFruscio bro-mance is a major issue for me as I consider how to cast my vote. I am worried that a vote in favor of creating a "Langley majority" on the Town Board will in fact by a vote in favor of creating a "DeFruscio majority" on the Town Board.
IMHO, this could be much worse than even the current lackluster Malone, Mangold, and O'Brien Town Board majority. I believe this concern is shared by a somewhat significant number of other reform minded people in Town.
As a result, this interested voter will be reading and listening carefully to what each candidate has to say. We are certainly between a rock and a hard place this election cycle.
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Without endorsing Publius' view of individual candidates or the supervisor, he (she?) makes some really important points. We have seen little or no independence from individual town board members and this has worked to the detriment of the town. A majority where all the members walk in lockstep all the time is a disservice and yet that's mostly what has happened. It seems the republicans are anxious to gain power so they can implement the same system the democrats have been using. Is that really change? I have argued for a long time that neither side is better than the other because both subscribe to the same assumptions about governing. The purpose of winning a majority is to put their people in jobs, let contracts to the right people, hire consultants who will agree with their proposals and decide which projects sail through with permission to do whatever they want. The interests of taxpayers always seems to take a backseat.
ReplyDeleteReal change will only happen if Publius' model is adopted: five people each reaching to do what's best for the town as they see it, party and politics be damned. When I worked on the original Board of Ethics we had five people who did that and the result was a document we were all proud to submit to the town board. None of us got everything we wanted but we went with the best ideas on each topic, understanding that no one had a monopoly on good ideas and the more we listened to each other, the better we understood the issues and were able to reach consensus on the best way forward. It also helped that we let the public participate and actually listened to what they had to say. The more input the better, and five individuals on the town board looking out for the taxpayers would provide a richer spectrum of ideas than two parties looking out for their own people.
Jack, if you don't mind saying, which of the town board candidates do you endorse? Given your prominence in the town, I think a lot of people would like to know.
DeleteIn my humble opinion, Publius and Jack Conway are right on target. It just might take a Third Party committed to the principles articulated to bring about the desired change. But we all have to acknowledge that what we've heard from Mary Ann and Deb are good things in the governance and budgeting department. And I like the commitment to pass the original Ethics draft submitted by the Ethics Board.
ReplyDeleteI believe the same thing a third party (choice) would be great not only in local politics, but also in state and federal. The problem we have in this country is that if a candidate runs and doesn't get support from one the major party's his/her chances of winning election are quite slim, notice I didn't say impossible here.
ReplyDeleteWith that said, often times in elections I find myself picking the lesser of two evils, and I know that is kind of a sad proposition.
As far as this coming election I would argue that the Dems have had power long enough and look how good are town has turned out, NOT!!! For me it is easy give someone else a chance, if I don't like the way they do things I will vote against them in the future.
Another case in point though for all of this, I'd be willing to bet that most people in town have no idea what candidates are running for town board no less what party they are associated with.
I don't know about a "conversion to reform." We may have to settle for a conversion to good government but, again, we won't know until we give it a chance. And why, in an election year, would Langley hand the Dem majority a chance to shine by putting up a resolution to recoup the illegal stipends, etc? If we want the goods, we'll have to put the Supe and his endorsees in the majority. That's why I'm voting for them, to give them a chance to shine.
ReplyDeleteI just don't understand how putting forth a resolution to recoup the stipends gives the Dem majority a "chance to shine." It does give them a chance to look like partisan self-servers by defeating such a resolution, which was the point of my original letter to the Advertiser. It's a lot of cash. How does going after it per the recommendation of the State Comptroller give them a chance to "shine?"
DeleteThe Dem majority is desperate right now to stay in the driver's seat, not be relegated to the back seat, maybe even the trunk. Putting forth such a resolution, and giving them a chance to support it, would make them look like heros if they did so, which could help their candidates get elected. I believe that boss-twit Malone would sacrifice his Dem counterparts (like Rick McCabe, Kate Bennett, Toni Murphy and many others whole stole stipend money) if it meant a chance to hang on to the majority. That's why they relented on the Ethics Law and passed an albeit weak version of it. At this point in time, Malone will stop at nothing to stay in power.
DeleteOn the "strip club" issue, I'm told that after the Adult World snuck in to business on 9&20, a local law was passed prohibiting such "adult" oriented business from locating in Town. I've asked for a citation. None yet. Anybody know? Would be nice to put it to rest. A public official who made it happen certainly could clear the air.
ReplyDeleteSigns on vacant Hart Properties along 9&20.
ReplyDeleteFor Lease, Available, Space for rent, Battillo/Vallee, No Trespassing, Keep Out
Now there's a plan.
Have to love it, they have just about every vacant property staked out. Please vote for me for more of the run down urban blight.
DeleteAlthough hasn't hurt them in the past, has it?
HOT NEWS... Malone's and VanWormer are out telling people NOT to vote for Sue Mangold in her bid for county legislature. They don't want to lose her on the Town Board. Aren't they suppose to be her people? At least when she loses she will know who to thank.
ReplyDeletePhil Malone's Democrat Party has this town on the verge of bankruptcy and he expects to be taken seriously. The little fella doesn't even pay taxes in this town. He might want to try his luck in Saratoga with mommy and daddy. After November 5th his political career in East Greenbush will be over. Hopefully fresh faces will surface and clear the dirty smell Malone's left behind. Sabotaging Sue's campaign is the last straw for me.
DeleteRemember Malone pulled the same move on McCabe. Friends like that who needs enemies. His parents really screwed that kid up, unfortunately the die has been cast.
DeleteSue Mangold is going to lose the county election not because of anything the Malone's or Dave Van Wormer do to hurt her chances. Sue Mangold is going to lose the county election because, on her own merits, she does not deserve to win. And voters know that.
ReplyDeleteSue Mangold has not done anything to help the people of East Greenbush. Her presence on the town board is almost directly and solely responsible for the 'NO" vote by O'Brien and Malone on the recommended ethics code. The reason? If Sue Mangold has to reveal her multiple and overlapping conflicts of interest associated with her principle and significant financial interests in HART LLC she will resign from the town board rather than reveal those interests to the public. And why? Because Sue Mangold's primary purpose on the town board is to protect the Hart family business interests. Any other story or explanation is baloney.
Sue Mangold has tried to take credit for the Regeneron project. That is so disengenuous as to be ridiculous. The county had to rescue East Greenbush when it came to Regeneron's need to expand because of the town board's, including Sue Mangold, failure to respond properly to multiple Consent Decrees with the DEC. Any other story is baloney.
The politicians around town, including DeFruscio by the way, have lied, and lied and lied to taxpayers and voters forever. Sue mangold is another one of those politicians and educated voters have, long ago, figured it out.
I am going to vote for Matters and DiMartino. But because of that moron Chris DeFruscio I am going to have to hold my nose as I do so.
If Matters and DiMartino get elected, and I hope they do, I will give them until Langley comes up for election in two years to make major positive changes in town and with spending, the budget, bull crap appointments and all the other messes created and perpetuated by O'Brien, Mangold and Malone.
Hmmmmm.....is Councilman Philip Malone in any position to throw stones at Councilman Rick Matters??? Next time Philip Malone picks up a stone to throw at Rick Matters, he may want to recall HIS issues with his fraudulent use of his Notary License and his tangle with the State of NY Department of State . To refresh his memory he may want to peruse this, http://eastgreenbushblog.blogspot.com/2011_09_01_archive.html.
ReplyDeletePhilip Malone should keep in mind that some people on this side of the fence never forget ANYTHING. Rick Matters never committed any fraudulent acts however.....Philip Malone did.
Philip Malone---pipe down over there!
To 11:39 and 12:16,
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree with you more about Chris DeFruscio. I am continually amazed with his almost insatiable need to divide people. He never seems to advance any constructive ideas about anything of substance. I have listened to him talk at length a number of times and have found him to be less than forthright. He seems to stand for nothing except for muddying the waters by saying negative and wildly innaccurate things about people behind their backs. It is very revealing that perhaps the only common thread between the Gadfly and the Talks Blogs is the concern about a DeFruscio involvement in East Greenbush government. I feel sorry for Mrs. Matters and Mrs. DiMartino about this. They seem to be unfairly burdened by the heavy negative weight of Mr. DeFruscio.
Why Supervisor Langley continues to feel the need to consult with Mr. DeFruscio on a regular basis is very puzzling indeed, it is also very disturbing to those interested in transparent and open government.
Thank you so much 1:52 PM. I wanted to write about Malone's Notary License legal problems and his problem with NY State, (he was fired from a State job). He can say what he wants about Rick Matters, but the last I heard, Rick was still working for the State.
ReplyDeleteI am glad you wrote what you did. You told the story much better than I could.
2:40 - What's Boss Malone saying about Rick Matters? Rick has done a good job on the TB and has been the ethical conscience of Town Government. I wish he was running this year. He would get my vote again for sure. He never went along with Chris Defruscio's crowd. He was like the lone ranger.
ReplyDeleteThere are people around town who are good and decent. Rick Matters is one. So are Jack Conway, Don Johnson, Dwight Jenkins, Tom Grant, and a lot of others.
ReplyDeleteNot on any good and decent list are Phil Malone, Chris DeFruscio and a whole, whole bunch of others.
The good and decent people want what is best for the town and taxpayers.
The DeFruscio's and Malone's only want what is best for them.
This election, and the next election, are all about clearing the crooks from East Greenbush politics.
Voting for Matters and DiMartino is the start. That puts Malone out to political pasture. Then we spend the next two years seeing what good things Langley, Matters and DiMartino do for our town and for us - the regular taxpayer.
If there are big positive improvements then we re-elect Langley. If they fail us we'll know enough ahead of time to put a serious 3rd party in place. That's my dream and hope anyway
Anonymous 10/11/13 at 6:52 p.m., yours is the most sensible post I've read to date. You are exactly correct. Thank you.
DeleteDear 6:52 PM--
ReplyDeleteI agree with your post completely, but I have one BIG question. If we vote for Matters and DiMartino and they are elected to vote with Langley, how do we keep Chris DeFruscio away from Town Hall decisions? I like the idea of putting Boss Malone out to political pasture.
But I am very nervous about Chris DeFruscio being allowed to enter the figurative hen house, as long as Langley is willing to serve as a stooge for DeFruscio .
As someone else said in a previous post-- we are between a rock and a hard place in this year's election.
Anon 10/11 at 7:28 p.m., your one BIG question deserves one BIG answer. Matters and DiMartino are NOT being elected to vote with Langley. They are being elected to work WITH the supervisor (not FOR him) to form a majority of votes that will get this town back on track. They EACH have minds of their own and they EACH will use their skills and abilities to come to a consensus on the best possible solutions for the town's problems and vote accordingly. DiMartino and Matters will not be run by the Supervisor or anyone else. They are independent voices and will strive in all they do to PUT RESIDENTS FIRST. Chris DeFruscio is the Chairman of the Republican Committee in the town of East Greenbush. He, in no way, makes or influences decisions made at Town Hall. He has not nor ever will "enter the figurative hen house" and your characterization of the Supervisor serving as a "stooge" for DeFruscio is just plain inaccurate. The Supervisor is nobody's stooge. If you knew Supervisor Langley, you would know that. In conclusion, we are NOT between a rock and a hard place this election. It's very simple...you can vote for stagnation, future bankruptcy, and continued incompetence by the current party in power OR you can vote them out and try something new. I feel confident that if you opt to try something new, you will NOT be disappointed. Vote DiMartino and Matters on November 5th.
DeleteDear 8AM- I wish it was that simple. The problem is that Chris DeFruscio is running around town telling people that "you are either for us or against us" and that "it's time we got ours." DeFruscio is not talking about ethics or financial reform, he is talking about how since he and the Rep party have bankrolled the campaigns of Mary Ann and Deb that he "will control them after they get elected."
DeleteI think the only reason Mary Ann and Deb might not get elected is because of DeFruscio shooting his mouth off about how he is taking names and making lists and about what he plans to do after January.
And that's a shame.
I would suggest it may be you going around town saying these things as apposed to Mr. DeFruscio. The Republican Party has been running a very clean campaign throughout this campaign season, which is more than can be said for Phil Malone with his negative personal attacks.
DeleteTo 6:21 AM:
DeleteI don't know anything about the Republican Party. Although, some of my best friends are Republicans.
However, I have also heard Chris DeFrusco say things along the line with what Anony 11:15 AM. has posted. Most recently last Wednesday. I wouldn't blame the Republican Party and its candidates one bit from trying to stay away from Chris. Chris and his comments might very well cost them some votes in November.
Neither Chris DeFrusio, the Republican Committee, nor the Republican Party are "bankrolling," Deb and Mary Ann's campaigns. Their campaigns are being financed by two sources: (1) fundraisers and (2) out of their own pockets. The fundraisers have helped with expenses but have not nearly covered all of their expenses. Stating that Deb and Mary Ann are beholding to Chris or anyone else because they're bankrolling their campaign is not only incorrect, it's laughable. If it was true, the candidates would not be going broke paying the endless expenses that are associated with running a campaign.
DeleteIf we get more of the same, there is always room for reform-minded Republicans and Democrats to form a coalition and "take back the night." There is no reason that we cannot have a government which works for ALL the people of the Town. To have Ethics hijacked by one families interests is a travesty. And remember how that "interest" got introduced into the mix. It was Ms. O'Brien looking for a candidate to replace a candidate who couldn't run because of the Hatch Act. (Talk about Federal intervention in an election.)
ReplyDeleteThe Parties have been feeding off the potential of this community. It's time to take it back for the benefit of all of us.
Perhaps the special districts might want to join in the effort.
Dear Gadfly:
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean by "special districts?"
The fire districts, the ambulance district and the library - the tax levy which flows through the Town Budget. There's room for a lot of reform in these too. Just count the number of emergency vehicles and compare with the total in Troy and Albany combined. If a "what's really necessary" attitude prevailed as opposed to a "what's possible to get out of this" attitude, think of the money which could be saved for the taxpayer.
DeleteThose in power now always refer to family and friends. There are 17,000 of us who deserve the same consideration.
I'll be willing to bet that if we could vote for all the special district budgets and election of officers at the same time,same place we would see different results.
DeleteI'm tired of all these sponges sucking my wallet dry.
How about some thought on this matter?...All but the school theives bill comes on one tax bill,how about voting the same time and place for the rest of the leaches that eat up my retirement ???
Did Ginny resign from the board yet?
ReplyDeleteAny bets on the board majority screwing with the 0% increase Tentative Budget by the next board meeting?
ReplyDeleteBet they won't. They've got enough problems.
DeletePUT A STOP TO THE FLEECING OF EAST GREENBUSH ON NOVEMBER 5.
ReplyDeleteThe same manipulators (Maney, Malone, & Hart ) family's are promoting candidates Bottillo (Hart) & Vallee to do their bidding for them. The campaign signs end up on the same Democrat properties every election season.
Make no mistake about it. Those three families are controlling your tax dollars through the candidates they support for our town board.
Enough is enough. This town has been put on the verge of bankruptcy (as reported by a WALL STREET JOURNALIST) for their own personal gain. Now the Malone's have the arrogance to attempt to discredit Langley and Matters for trying to steer the town in a better direction.
Mary Ann Matters and Deberah DiMartino have been laying out a plan to work WITH the town Supervisor to rebuild the financial ruin our town has fallen into, that to me is positive. The current Board majority has done everything in their control NOT to work with the Supervisor, that to me is negative.
I have spoken with Supervisor Keith Langley on several occasions and have known him for over 35 years. I have complete faith in Keith when he has told me he wants our town back on its fiscal feet and wants to work WITH people to put East Greenbush back on the map in the positive light it deserves.
On November 5, I urge the voters to put DiMartino and Matters on our town board, and let them get to work WITH the Supervisor. That to me would be positive.
Where O Where has O'Brien gone? Knock on her door and the people say Ginny doesn't live here any more, she moved to North Greenbush.
ReplyDeleteHOW DARE SHE SHOW UP AT OUR TOWN BOARD MEETINGS AND VOTE ON ANY FURTHER RESOLUTIONS FOR OUR TOWN !!!!
Ginny says she is living with her daughter. HA, HA, HA. She has to be the BIGGEST shyster in EG.
ReplyDeleteA shyster is someone who might rip you off or do something UNETHICAL in order to get his/her way. Oh, yeah, that IS GINNY!
Ginny O'Brien is simply another lying politician. She hides behind that sweet little voice and lies like the proverbial rug.
ReplyDeleteIf she does not do the decent and honorable thing and resign ( long shot for sure) then the balance of the town board should take immediate legal action to force her to do so.
There has been more than enough fraud perpetrated on the citizens of East Greenbush by the McCabe, Malone and O'Brien families.
This election needs to put this incredibly sad era behind us by voting for Matters and DiMartino. Personally I have had all the "crap" from those three shyster families as I can tolerate.
Living with her daughter? Bullshit, pure unadulterated bullshit.
Gee Wilikers, that's no way to be talking about Sue Mangolds self proclaimed mentor. Mangold attributes everything she knows about politics to Ginny (Shyster) O'Brien. What a pair.
DeleteOn a separate note Phil's little whisper campaign not to vote for Mangold for legislature is getting some real traction. There was a whole table talking about it at the EG diner yesterday. The Dems seem to have their hands full with their little control freak.
I heard that at Mike Bottillo's last fundraiser he got up to thank the group for coming and then stated, regarding his campaign, that he got "roped into it." This is not surprising because, after all, he is tied to the HARTs. If I attended that fundraiser and handed over my $99, I would have demanded my money back after hearing that statement. Imagine, with all the financial trouble this town is in, electing a man, who stated from his own mouth at his fundraiser, that he got roped into it. Nah! We need more dedication and commitmant than that if we are ever going to turn the town around. This story can be verified by anyone who attended the fundraiser, including Phill Malone if he has the guts to tell the truth. Rick McCabe was conveniently out of town at the time of the fundraiser. I wonder if he sent the $99 anyway in support of Mike. I sincerely doubt it.
ReplyDeleteHave to like the Malone piece in the Advertiser, isn't that the pot calling the kettle back? Hasn't he had some run-ins with the law. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!!
ReplyDeleteAnon 10/13 @ 6:32 p.m. Malone can't compete with Matters and DiMartino on the real issues this town is facing so he is resorting to mud slinging. The fact that Bottillo and Vallee have yet to present their solutions to the fiscal crisis this town is in, tells us that either they have no solutions OR they're in denial about it. Either way, they are not good for the town. In the coming weeks there is sure to be an avalanche of Advertiser articles the likes of which this town has never seen because they have no solutions to the town's problems but, at the same time, they are desperate to stay at the helm of this sinking ship. As far as I can tell, Bottillo doesn't even want the job that he stated he got "roped into," so, for the good of the town, I'm voting for DiMartino and Matters on November 5th.
DeletePhil Malone and his Daddy should be seeing their noses grow to tremendous lengths by now for lying.
ReplyDeletePhil's resume is mostly a fake. Tell us , Phil, just how many credits did you complete at the law school you atended but never graduated from?
Tell us, Phil, the real truth behind leaving that cushy little state position you held. No one leaves a job like that to become a pizza delivery person so the back story to what is behind your leaving that state job must be fascinating.
Tell us, Phil, other than your pure contempt for the requirements of your notary license why you cheated on notarizing? Do you think you are above the law?
Tell us, Phil what you were thinking of when you threatened that state worker who was doing nothing other than her job? Did threatening her make you feel like a big man?
Tell us, Bill, do you hold the law is contempt so that you felt it was okay to sell cars without the proper licensing?
Tell us, Bill, why did it take you so long to finally get a building permit for the work on your shop?
Tell us, Bill, why the work never got completed and your shop looks so nasty and why you continue to do work on it long after the building permit expired?
Tell us, Bill, does your spouse really live in Saratoga County? That's where you claim your STAR exemption. Tell us, Bill, just how big a lie is to say that your spouse is living with Phil and meeting the town's job residency requirements?
Tell us, Bill, by what logic or strength of character do you come to the conclusion that you, of all people, can say anything to Rick Matters about anything? You, and your family, are among the leading hypocrits, liars, cheats and reasons behind the decline of our town.
Answer all these questions in public before you dare to write your next bull crap article in the Advertiser.
Bill Malone should be nothing but grateful to the taxpayers of East Greenbush.
ReplyDeleteOur taxes provide his son with a DPW job.
Our taxes provide his wife with a do nothing job in town hall with health benefits for him.
So, Bill is, I guess understandably concerned that his other son, town board member and chairman of the democratic party is in the process of losing the majority that keeps all these Malone family benefits provided by East Greenbush taxpayers at risk.
Both Bill and his son, Phil, have never learned to express their gratitude to East Greenbush taxpayers by keeping their mouths shut when keeping quiet is the smarter thing to do.
"Our taxes" also provided Jason Guynup with a job as well as Red Guynup ! You want to go there- lets go there !
DeleteReds brother in-law , Chris Defruscio is running a very sleazy campaign.
We tax payers are forking over ALOT of money to Red Guynup and Patsy Cherubino in retirement funds. You really want to go there?
Are you willing to risk upsetting the apple cart ??
I'm sorry anonymous 12:04 PM, but explain to us how Chris is running a sleazy campaign? I haven't seen any articles in the advertiser written by Chris, bashing anyone. Not to say there hasn't been indiscretions in the past, but as far as I can tell he has stayed clean this year.
DeleteThe way I see it right now The Dems are feeling the pressure, that is why they have printed a mud slining article in the Advertiser. Maybe Chris has done some stuff in the past but this year he has behaved.
DeleteThe way I also see it is the Dems have a record to run on this is why they are losing because their record SUCKS!!! Its just that simple. All the Republicans have to keep doing is pointing out all of the bad things to hit this town in recent years, and if people still keep the Dems with the majority then shame on them. Because as I previously stated their record is terrible.
Dear Jim C.:
DeletePlease take a look at the now shut down EG DEMands blog to see how Chris DeFruscio has behaved this year. Hopefully Mary Ann and Deb will be able to distance themselves from him sooner rather than later.
Dear Anonymous 9:59, maybe you can recall I stuck up for Mr. Malone on that blog a few times, and I have never even met the man.
DeleteDear Jim C.
DeleteI do remember. You are a stand up guy and you refused to be bullied by the DeFruscio DEMands blog. You are aces in my book!!
Phil most certainly could stand to learn that lesson about keeping quiet when keeping quiet is the thing to do.
ReplyDeleteHis threats to the state employee were immature and showed a real temper.
His "gadfly" comment has become a part of the political scene in our town.
His "Your job is to get me re-elected" to the CFAC showed complete insensitivity to taxpayers and their huge tax burden.
His little hissy fit to the supervisor when his mother's desk got moved showed more immaturity and temper.
His comment about the majority and we get what we want showed the low point in power party partisanship.
Hopefully, this election and electing Matters and DiMartino will send Phil Malone to where he belongs - the political never never land of our town.
Let's all concede that campaigning is simply a part of the whole sleezy side of politics. Let's also concede that both party chairs - DeFruscio and Malone - are less than model citizens. Let's also all agree that our town need positive change and right now. Let's also all agree that the staus quo has to change.
ReplyDeleteIs everyone still with me? Good. Then let's also conclude that Matters and DiMartino offer the best shot at achieving positive change for our town.
The why is very simple. The democratic party, and their supporters, had their shot and failed miserably. It is simply time for new blood, new ideas and new people.
I doubt matters and DiMartino will be perfect. None of us are. But I also know, for sure and for positive, that East Greenbush cannot take any more Malone and his henchmen and henchwomen before our town goes belly up.
So, Matters and DiMartino get my vote and my hope that they will make this an East Greenbush we can all be proud of. Phil Malone - you failed. But then again, you failed to get through law school; you failed in your state job and you have been a part of the failed majority in our town. Time to bid you and your candidates fairwell, good bye and god luck.
There is no way that any ChrisFruscio candidates will get my vote, he is way too untrustworthy. Phil Malone's candidates will also not be getting my vote. He is almost as untrustworthy as Chris DeFruscio. I will be writing in the names of Dwight Jenkins and Jack Conway. They are not tied in to any political party and they are honest people.
DeleteI encourage the voters to write in Jenkins and Conway to give us a chance at honest government for the people.
I would vote for Jack and Dwight in a heartbeat !
DeleteConway and Jenkins for me and my family (5 voters) as well.
DeleteWhy does the Tax Receiver get an 8% raise??? Is it a special favor for her pension? To cover the lost illegal stipend, longevity and sick leave??? Gimme a break Keith.
ReplyDeleteIt might be time to cast some protest write in votes against Malone and DeFruscio backed candidates. That will send both party bosses a message.
ReplyDeleteI will be voting for Don Johnson and Robert Bugbee.
They can't be bought by the ":usual suspects."
As has been suggested by my good friend, Jack Conway.....lets see what Deb and Mary Ann can do with a majority to achieve reform. If nothing good happens, we can run a third party candidate for Supervisor in two years. The key is the performance of the current Supervisor and whether he takes his direction from the boss or the elected candidates.
DeleteDear Gadfly,
DeleteDid I miss a post by Jack Conway where he expressed support for a Deb and Mary Ann majority?
6:27 PM
ReplyDeleteI would conclude that you hit it right on the nose. The tax collector involves little to no real work and tax payers are paying for two deputies to handle whatever work needs to be done.
Toni Murphy is a nice person. She has always enjoyed the sympathy of voters because of the loss of her husband. But she promised in her last election to bring some much needed technology to the tax collector's office and, of course, not one thing has been done.
So, except for being a nice person and for people feeling sorry for her Toni Murphy does not, in any way, shape or form, deserve any pay raise.
She needs to return the illegal money she has received in the past from all the things you mentioned.
Dear 739 and 627-
DeleteWould you please explain why Keith Langley has proposed a raise for the tax collector? Can we expect more of the same if he is given a Langley/DeFruscio majority?
@10:15, 1:47 above: This is in response to your request for assistance in locating things that are sleazy and written by Chris DeFruscio during this campaign year. I would like to direct your attention to the East Greenbush Demands Blog, a blog written and mastered by Chris DeFruscio. You will see that he attacked (or posted attacks) upon residents of our town over and over again. Regardless of the pretense asserted on the blog, Chris bragged about what he wrote to me and to many others. So, to be clear, Chris has, by his own testimony, bashed many people this year and he has done so with a very troubling pride.
ReplyDeleteBTW as you read, you will notice that Chris has a "unique" writing style. With that knowledge, you will be able to pick out his posts here.
@10/15, 3:57 - I most certainly will not concede that campaigning is "a part of the whole sleazy side of politics". It is a part of the whole American way and is a time honored tradition. It is a highly developed tool of communication and an excellent way for public servants to learn from their constituents. In East Greenbush it is often unnecessarily nasty, but that makes the participants who are nasty responsible without cheapening the process of campaigning.
ReplyDeleteIt also seems to me that what you consider "positive change" may be something entirely different from the changes I favor. I will not join you in seeking change for the sake of change. I will proceed with great caution. I am not a big fan of protest votes but unless a few of these candidates step away from their bosses (either side), I will be voting for Jenkins and Conway.
The problem with voting for Dwight and Jack - two wonderful people who I like, respect and admire - is that such a vote is a protest vote and nothing more.
ReplyDeleteUnless Dwight retires he is barred by the Hatch Act from holding elected office - exactly like the failed Democratic Party candidate Rich Hendricks.
Both Jack and Dwight have things in common - both are decent, honest, thoughtful and totally nice people. But neither is a true or real candidate.
I would vote for both of them in a heartbeat. And if they ever run would vote with enthusiasm and excitement.
But, for this year, I am voting for matter and DiMartino. And I am doing do inspite of DeFruscio NOT because of him. I think Chris DeFruscio is a part of the problem not a part of the solution. I think Chris DeFruscio is a part of the failed political process that has our town where it is - in financial trouble.
I also think the Malone candidates are worse - much, much worse than Matters and DiMartino. Call it voting for the best of bad choices but at least Matters and DiMartino give us some hope. A continuing Malone majority is a continuous of the totally failed policies of the past. That's just the way I see it.
Dear 11:33 AM,
DeletePlease re-read the Hatch Act. It has been amended since the Rich Hendricks situation to permit more citizens serving in Federally funded positions to run for an serve in elected offices.
Regardless, Jack and Dwight will be getting my write in vote.
I just can't support candidates backed by either Defruscio or Malone.,
Looks to me like the most recent Dem strategy is to water down the vote for DiMartino and Matters by advocating write-ins for various people - most notably Jack and Dwight at the moment. The Dems are really worried about a rout.
DeleteDear Gadfly,
DeleteI don't know about any Dem strategy. I am a registered WF Party member who just can't stomach the self-serving and self-dealing actions of Malone and DeFruscio. I am also seriously considering writing in the names of Jack and Dwight .IMHO iIt is high time that independent, non-boss endorsed people got elected in this Burgh.
I will not sit this election out as I believe it is important to vote, even if it is in protest.
Anonymous 9:46: I haven't publicly endorsed anyone yet but there are two things I'm looking for before I make up my mind: (1) recognition that the way things have been done hasn't worked because we have big problems, and (2) the best ideas for changing the way we do things to solve those problems. A lot of people think that a belief in change means the republican ticket but that isn't necessarily so because I think there's a good chance they will conduct business as usual if they win and the democrats have only started to offer their proposals. I do like the level of detail provided by Matters and DiMartino so far and I hope the democrats rise to the challenge and do the same thing.
ReplyDeleteWhat I always do is collect all of the Advertiser pieces and campaign literature in a file and sit down the weekend before the election and re-read everything. I then factor in dirty campaigning as a negative against those who engaged in it. My wife, who is much calmer and more reasonable than me, does the same thing and then we talk about it. Even though it always seems like I'm sure who I'm going to vote for, this process has made me change my mind on at least one candidate twice in the last four town board elections.
Many of the voters would like to see a debate. It would force the candidates to provide details on their plans for EG. A debate in which each candidate receives the same question will give an even playing field for the voters to choose who best aligns with their ideas. We have not had a debate in the past couple of elections and it is sorely missed.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I would like to see a Financial Recovery Plan or, at the very least, an outline of a plan from each candidate. I suggest each candidate provide one because many voters seem to be planning to split their votes so neither "team of candidates" should submit a "team plan". As a voter, I would like to see what each candidate brings to the table or, dais in this case.
Unfortunately, I believe we will not see either of these things--no debate and no FRP. Those running the campaigns, Defruscio and Malone, have no interest in a campaign of substance and, unfortunately, the candidates will not venture out of their respective Chairman's box. That alone gives us something to ponder.
Is there a board meeting tonight? Will Ginny be sitting on the board tonight?
ReplyDeleteOn the published agenda for tonight, she's there. I can hardly wait for the "explanation/rationalization."
DeleteOn another note, a friend just remarked that it's too bad we can't have an election every 6 months. That agenda is loaded with "reform" issues (though some are watered down a bit) which could have and should have been addressed as long as 5 years ago. Now 3 weeks before the election, the Dems want to appear as though they've gotten religion. I think they're scared.
"If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve." William Tecumseh Sherman
ReplyDeletePlease don't waste your vote on me. Vote your conscience and your dreams, but let them be rational, waking dreams. You've got 4 candidates out there. None of the 4 is aligned with a perfect party or parties. Easy to pick apart both sides for sins of omission as well as sins of commission. Not possible to be perfect in that realm. But look at it like a doctor: the first rule is to do no harm. Which party has done more harm to East Greenbush, in your mind, and in the headlines? Once you decide that, vote the other way, but I should not, in any sense, be part of that equation. Dwight
Dear Dwight,
ReplyDeleteThat's too bad. You would have been a great asset to the Board. My spouse suggested that if I really wanted to waste my vote, I should write in DeFruscio and Malone. I'm fairly certain it was a joke.
There is an old saying, "You can't see the forest for the trees." In Politics, candidates are little more than trees and the parties they represent are the forest. Candidates typically get into politics for the right reasons, but once in, are beholden to the party that got them there.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Mr. Bottillo noted that he got "roped" into this and Ms. Vallee has been somewhat apathetic about running suggests that the power would be handed back to the very people who got us in our financial mess to begin with and for me that is unacceptable. Their forest is made up of self serving trees more dedicated to protecting what they have than serving the people they are supposed to represent.
Both Matters and DiMartino have been to my door and have never said a derogatory word about their opponents. Instead they have presented a goal oriented vision of policy, optimism, determination and will. They are both spirited individuals who can stand tall in a storm, will present thought provoking arguments and work in concert as a team for the best solution. In that way their forest works for the benefit of tax payers and God knows we deserve at least that. Being compared to Detroit is a result of letting the wrong people do the wrong thing for too long. The two chairmen may represent the worst that politics have to offer, but of the two of them, Chris managed to get two candidates who are engaged, prepared, intelligent, motived and perhaps most important of all, independent thinkers who can handle the position with dignity and without a lot of oversight from the rest of the forest. It makes them oaks among the pines and it's a refreshing opportunity for this town.