Reader Publius has submitted the following remarks to the Gadfly Blog. I think they deserve a Post Thread of their own:
As a reader of all four East
Greenbush Blogs I would like to take this opportunity to make a few
observations that may be helpful to East Greenbush residents from both
sides of the aisle as well as the reformers.
First, there have
been several posts about one side or the other being politically
motivated by only criticizing their opposing politicians in relationship
to inappropriate distribution of public funds. They are often paired
with the observation that those who approved the appropriations are not
those are currently serving in town government. They are incorrect.
The most recent misappropriation of funds to an elected official was
proposed and approved by the current Town Board. Resolution 165-2012
presented on November 14, 2012 provided for the $1,000 per year formerly
paid to Town Supervisors in the form of “sick leave” payments be
changed to regular salary to make the payments come into compliance with
the OSC audit. The fact behind the obfuscating language in the
resolution was that the audit found such payments to be wrong and our
town officials devised a plan to “get around” the audit finding and
still get the funding to the Town Supervisor. In this case, a citizen
at the Board Meeting pointed out the inconsistency in the thinking
surrounding the resolution and, as a result, the Town Attorney
subsequently directed the Supervisor to return the $750 already
illegally paid as his “sick leave incentive” in 2012.
The
citizen in question was criticized in the TU Blog by the Deputy
Supervisor who used all the tricks typical of those who discourage
public participation in government. He implied that the citizen was
unable to understand the situation, he was dismissive, and he alleged
political motivation. The fact that the money was repaid and did not
reappear in the 2013 budget proves the Deputy Supervisor wrong.
In
the big picture, however, this event illustrates that the mechanism and
the inclination to hide payments from the public exists in this Town
Government! Our town leaders devised this plan during the same time
period that they were (or should have been) digesting the audit and
developing a plan for corrective action. We cannot continue to elect the
ill-prepared and uninformed to public office and expect good government
or ethical behavior. We must prevail upon both political parties to
nominate candidates who are well prepared, beyond reproach ethically,
and able to withstand the fallout that making hard choices brings. The
person who appears at your door every year with nominating petitions is
your representative in the party of your choice. Contact that person
now, before the candidates for the fall are chosen, and ask them to find
candidates who are experienced in government, prepared to do the work,
and are of high moral and ethical character.
Resolution 165-2012
was proposed by Mr. Malone and seconded by Ms. O’Brien and passed by a
5-0 vote. Although the amount was small, the idea is flawed and, just
like the stipends of old, the wrong minded public official has the
potential to do much damage. Beware of the candidates who are endorsed
by today’s sitting Town Board.
My second concern is the often
used “interfering with the audit”. It is not challenged when it is used
and it should be. Concerned citizens who contacted the OSC are
exercising their responsibility as citizens in a representative form of
government. The employees of the OSC and the town are the employees of
the public. It is in very bad form for bloggers to regularly refer to
citizen activists as interfering and not be called on it. The audit has
unveiled wrongful acts and this disparaging language is one of the tools
of those who are actively working against a meaningful corrective
action plan. I urge citizens to support those who, like the Gadfly, ask
hard questions and support meaningful reform.
Thank you for reading.
Big Picture:
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting. The really troubling point I take from your article is that this is the same crowd responsible for the administration of the up to $14 millions sewer bond debt. Let's hope concerned taxpayers like the Gadfly continue to remain involved and inquisitive every step of the way.
Dear Anonymous....There is a reason that I put up the two links to the ballot fraud case just up on the right. The small town mayor is a "big" player in it. And when the sewer process did a 180 after all the investment and study on the alternative, some of us perked up. East Greenbush (as I understand it) already has an FBI file. There certainly doesn't seem to be much interest in getting the taxpayer's money back - as recommended by OSC. But here are some interesting facts:
ReplyDeleteThe General Fund/Highway tax increase this year is about $99,000. Add the special districts, and the tax increase is about $323,000. The OSC stipend recoupment amounts to $102,000, and when you add the sick-leave/longevity recoupment of $39,000 you have $141,000. That's half again as much as the General Fund/Highway increase and close to half of the all-funds tax increase.
There are a couple of lessons here. First, throwing taxpayer money around to a select few as "benneys" for the insiders costs tax increases for the rest of us. Second, as Publius points out, the current bunch doesn't seem to have any sensitivity to these issues. They were real quick to take care of Langley, and they haven't shown any interest in recoupment - yet. I would think a resolution on recoupment offered by Langley/Matters would be appropriate. It would provide an opportunity to separate the sheep from the goats. No resolution.....they're all goats, and both Langley and Matters have rolled over to the Machine.
Now go read those two links on Malcolm and the Mayor.
Just a quick addendum......the material in the OSC audit related to the sick-leave and longevity payments to the Supervisor and the Receiver of Taxes was NOT included in any of the taxpayer complaints sent to the OSC (to my knowledge). These issues were surfaced (as OSC says) by OSC in the OSC review of the stipend complaints.
DeleteDidn't the town clerk also get longevity and sick leave incentive, why is she never mentioned?
ReplyDeleteThat's a good one to ask OSC about. They were meticulous is places, and they overlooked stuff in other areas.
DeleteI just read the link "Hatching the Ballot Plot." It really shows the strong need for taxpayer scrutiny and oversight in local government operations. Nice work by the FBI in uncovering what was going on!! Too bad it had to get to that point.
ReplyDeleteAnd where is the updated Town Ethics Code? Just sayin...
DeleteYes....Kinda puts the desire to NOT have financial disclosure out there in a more understandable light, doesn't it??? Anybody who thinks EG is unique and doesn't have the problems illustrated in what is "breaking news" downstate, is just plain crazy. It's the stuff of what goes on in politics on all levels. Constant vigilance is the only thing that will protect the common taxpayer.
DeleteEven the oversight agencies have their weak moments. After all, Dinapoli signed that $103,000 check to pay off the sexual harassment victims of Vito Lopez - at the request of Shelly Silver.
I was unaware the FBI is involved in any investigation of EG. Would you please explain. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteIt is my understanding that Fed law enforcement was in Town some time ago looking into the disbursement of some FEMA money. Those closer to the matter may want to comment.
DeleteIt wouldn't be surprising at all if the DOJ public corruption unit is assigned to "monitor" the trail of the 14 million dollar sewer money.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone remember "Abscam"...? If not, it's worth a Google.
ReplyDeleteWonder if anyone around town hall has been wearing a wire.
DeleteI want to point out that there were 56 concerned citizens who signed the letter that went to the OSC prior to the most recent audit.
ReplyDeleteThe facts and documents furnished to the OSC remain unchallenged. True the Talks bloggers have made fun of people and engaged in everything except a fact based rebuttal but that's no surprise. The facts, and supporting documents to the tune of hundreds of pages were, and remain, facts.
It remains everything except political to understand why the town board is not advancing the effort to recoup the large amount of money improperly paid to politically connected town officials, family members and friends. We are not talking chump change here.
You know when a politician falsifies an expense report and is held to account for it there is no difference with what was done with the stipends or the sick leave or the longevity pay. Proper procedures were skipped and money was given under extremely dubious circumstances. Seriously, how can anyone not challenge the supervisor awarding money to himself and his daughter?
The thought that this town board is going to miss manage some $ 14 million of our money is frightening. Jim Breig was our last, and for the time being, best hope for some fiscal sanity with this project.
This posting is well written and thanks to the author.
Dear publius, a little specificity please. How did I use "all the tricks typical of those who discourage public participation" also on what subject where we talking, that would be nice to know. Also please refer me to the quote where I implied "the citizen was unable to understand the situation" I am confident you can answer these request and once I have a better grasp of exactly what we are talking about I will be happy to answer your statements more fully. All the best, Ed Gilbert
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 6:17pm- The subject is TB resolution 165-2012.
DeleteAnonymous 6:17 PM
DeleteTry looking at comment 12 on the November 16th, 2012 Times Union East Greenbush Blog to refresh your memory.
Ed, with all due respect you have decided to become the Joe LaMontaine (not sure I spelled the name properly) of the non majority party.
ReplyDeleteMore bluntly, and less respectfully, you have become a shill for the supervisor.
We all get that you are advancing your own political ambitions, courting favor, lining up support, playing a role and all the rest. There is most certainly nothing wrong with all that.
In the process you may have lost some credibility with non political types but I am sure you weighed that risk as you changed your personal approach as well as your public verbal and written comments on town issues.
But...you are a politician now. And, for whatever it might be worth (not much I am certain) acknowledging what you are and what you seek would be a nice thing to do.
Thanks to all who pointed me In the right direction. My previous blog in November 2012 I took Tom Grant to task for Mischaracterizing the supervisors salary as a raise I stand by that I also said that tihe accusations were politically motivated I stand by that as well. Now onto the new stuff. First let me say I had to laugh when I read "with all due respect" Followed by accusations that I am shill for the supervisor and am advancing my own political agenda. Nice. Pubius you are incorrect that the supervisor repaid the incentive he actually declined it .how money that was never paid would show up on the 2013 budget as repaid is a head scratcher. Either way I have said all I care to to the nameless faces. If any of you would care to sit down with me I will be happy to answer any questions I can. Otherwise , well have a nice day. Ed Gilbert
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 10:50 PM
ReplyDeleteFacts are stubborn things...
Fact, the Supervisor repaid $750 in unauthorized sick leave incentives he received for the year 2012.
Fact, Resolution 165-2012, moved by O'Brien and seconded by Malone, was a last gasp attempt by the Board to legitimize the unauthorized sick leave incentive payments as a salary increase (raise) for the 2012 calender year.
Fact, Resolution 165-2012, had nothing to do with the 2013 Budget.
Fact, the 2013 budget discontinued the unauthorized sick leave incentive payments to full time elected officials, as mandated by the OSC Audit.
The Town Clerk and the Town Receiver of Taxes also repaid the unauthorized sick leave incentives, at $1,000 apiece, they had received in 2012.
DeleteAs part of the 2013 Budget that RAISED TAXES for EG residents, the Town Board INCREASED THE SALARIES for the Town Clerk and the Town Receiver of Taxes.
Dear 10:54 AM-
DeleteCouncilperson Rick Matters was the only member of the Town Board to vote against these Budget shenanigans. Langley, O'Brien, Mangold and Malone voted in favor of the salary increases.
Thank you for your leadership Mr. Matters.
10:54 AM
DeleteIt gets even better---
The "official" Town Board authorization for the 2013 salary increase for the Town Clerk and the Town Receiver of Taxes took place at the December the 19th TB meeting via Resolution 177-2012 which was passed by a 5-0 vote as Local Law #4 of 2012.
Wait for it--- the motion to approve those salary increases was made by Supervisor Langley and was seconded by Councilperson Matters.
Geez, Louise!!!
Anon 2:25. Mr. Matters did not vote against the resolution that laid the groundwork to slip the extra $1,000 to Mr. Langley. Sadly, he, like all the others voted for it. He did vote against the budget but he did so after the "sick leave raise" was removed.
DeleteIt never seeks to amaze me the creative ways politicians find to transfer taxpayers' hard earned money to themselves, their family memmbers and their friends.
ReplyDeleteStipends, sick leave incentive, longevity, and consulting fees are examples employed by our town officials to semi legally to illegally to now quasi legally take our money for themselves.
Hopefully we'll all wise up come November's elections.
Dear Mr. Gilbert:
ReplyDeleteThank you for your wishes that I have a nice day. I especially enjoy the sunshine and the crisp fresh air in this season of renewal and redemption.
You are certainly free to “stand by” your opinion that the change from $70,000 to $71,000 in the supervisor’s salary is not a raise; my essay asserts that money characterized as “sick leave incentive” but raising the 2012 salary IS a raise. The payback indicates that Mr. Grant and others hold a valid opinion in this matter and that there was no mischaracterization.
Please be aware that the Times Union allows you the privilege stating your opinions in their blog and it seems that many readers enjoy reading your opinions. This privilege does not, however, give you license to “take to task” any citizen. I googled your phrase and found that the definition implies a teacher student relationship where the teacher admonishes the student. While your readers may welcome your opinions, you have no authority to scold people who are stating their opinions. Your decision to “stand by” the accusation that Mr. Grant’s curiosity was politically motivated is an opinion, not a fact. My essay merely points out that you were quick to make such an accusation in an effort to cover and confuse the basic issue: these payment were inappropriate.
Whether the supervisor “declined” the 2013 sick leave incentive or it was a directive from a higher authority will remain unknown to all but the supervisor and the powers that be but, the fact remains, the payment was in the budget before Mr. Grant brought it up and was removed after his comments provoked your blog on the matter.
A funny thing about this whole dialogue is that Langley's attendance is abysmal. Even if the payments were appropriate, is the Town in the habit of giving these payments to folks with a work ethic like Langley's?
ReplyDeleteThe problems discussed in this post and thread stem from an obsolete political culture. It doesn't matter if democrats or republicans hold the majority on the town board because they will both do the same thing - take care of political insiders, family and friends at the expense of taxpayers and to the detriment of good government. It's hard to blame individuals because as Rick McCabe once famously (and honestly) said - "This is how it's always been done." Regardless of which party they support, people who run campaigns and candidates who run for office have similar expectations about what's at stake and what jobs and contracts they will control if they win.
ReplyDeleteThis system worked for towns like ours until the context of local government changed and the economy worsened. Local government now requires a more technical and professional approach using generally accepted accounting principles, a streamlined work force and more efficient delivery of basic services. With the amount of state and federal taxes we now pay it is critical that the cost of local government be reduced to manageable levels. Recent audits have shown how far we are from making this transition. Our town government is using a 20th century model to solve 21st century problems and it's not working. If you think I'm wrong take out your most recent tax bill.
The reason I got involved with the Board of Ethics is that the drafting of a new Code of Ethics is a rare opportunity to change the template of our political culture. The old system is built on cronyism and patronage and these practices are protected by a lack of open and accountable government. They depend on having information that is only known by insiders. Knowledge is power. They also depend on the apathy of citizens and unfortunately the good folks of East Greenbush seem happy to oblige. A strong Code of Ethics requires accessibility and accountabiliy from town officials and protects people who want to make a difference by insisting on fairness and an end to favoritism and insider trading. Nowhere was the current town board's resistance to necessary change more apparent than in their refusal to pass the draft Code of Ethics proposed by the Board of Ethics. If people want to make real changes in the way we are governed they need to press our elected officials to pass a strong Code of Ethics. Until we change the political culture it really doesn't even matter who wins elections unless you are looking for a job or contract with the town.
Well said, Mr. Conway, well said. I would add a Code of Conduct for all Town Employees to the Code of Ethics.
DeleteLet's all give Supervisor Langley a chance about Ethics.
DeleteI'm sure he will be shortly appointing a dynamic and highly ethical individual to the Ethics Board to take Jim Breig's place as the Supervisor's appointment to the Ethics Board.
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't plan to meet with Jack Conway to get his views about the future of the Ethics Board.
Keith is the type of leader who enjoys reaching out to people to get the information needed to make thoughtful decisions.
We are very fortunate to have Keith Langley as our Supervisor.
My "uneducated" guess is that "I Like Langley" is Phil Malone - who is already known to have said that Keith is sitting in HIS seat.
DeleteDear 8:43 PM,
DeleteHe might as well be. As far as votes go, there isn't much difference between Malone and Langley.
One of the expressions used by the OSC in describing how compensation is set for elected officials is: "it is well established" - meaning the proper procedures to be followed.
ReplyDeleteNot in East Greenbush! So we had highly experienced elected officials like Rick McCabe and Ginny O'Brien and a on staff town attorney in Joe Liccardi who either did not know (highly unlikely) or who knew but never expected to get caught (much more likely) screwing around with our money and giving themselves, family members and friends stipends and other improper forms of compensation.
The OSC recommended that the town board explore getting that huge amount of money improperly paid back. The current town board, so far, has done what they are best at - NOTHING.
If that somes across as harsh keep in mind that it took 6 consent decrees before the town board was forced to address the waste treatment issue.
Responsibile, ethical, sound leadership? Not around here - not yet anyway.
Your comment is right on the money, Jack. The only thing I'd add to the concept of inertia is the fact that there are those "fat cats" behind the scenes who also benefit from the status quo and do a lot of the "shot calling." I did hear that two or three of these boys had lunch with Mr. Langley early on to "fill him in" on how he might be "successful." Maybe this is why he abandoned so quickly what many of us thought would be a reform agenda.
ReplyDeleteI'm of the opinion that the people who perpetuate the things you outline really need to go. The mindset is un-reformable. The excuses are still being made, and the shenanigan with the recent salary "additions/replacements" which Publius highlights is an example of how pervasive the problem is. All of this fits right in with what is being revealed of the "culture" statewide. East Greenbush fits right in with the Senate/Assembly stuff.
There already exists too many "Fat-Cats" behind the scenes - on BOTH sides of the aisle !
ReplyDeleteThe only way to progress forward is to delete these power hungry fools of the past and send them a clear message in November.
We can all claim to dislike the decisions of Phil, Ginny and Sue, but you would be completely remiss to not acknowledge of antics and mischief of Defruscio, Cristo, and the rest of the fools on the Republican side of the aisle. Those two specifically have dragged down the Republican party to nothing more than a cheap bar-room joke.
The following just showed up on the "DEMands" blog. From the syntax and punctuation, I have a pretty good idea who wrote it. In my view, it sounds like a serious threat (perhaps a bit "lubricated").
ReplyDelete"Anonymous April 6, 2013 at 9:50 AM
Listen up gadflys!!! DEMOCRATS RULE If you don't like it leave. Take your blogs and shove em up your you know what. We don't care what you reform nut jobs think. Nor do we care who the Repooblicans put up to run. We are going to crush them in November. You people, starting with ole Donnie boy are just plain laughable. You all need to find a new hobby. You are all wasting your time. Life is short and shorter for some than others, like they say here today gone tomorrow."
Sorry, but democracy rules in the end, not Dems or "Repooblicans." Must be a pretty serious problem if you have to make comments about the length of the lives of others - hoped for or not. That comment is pretty angry and irrational, and is received as such - since my name is the one mentioned. I will say it's too bad the State Comptroller didn't have the guts to make a referral.
Dear Gadfly:
DeleteSounds like the individual in question is unraveling. Might I suggest that you take the link to his blog down and stop publishing his comments (I think the two comments below are from the same individual). I believe it is dangerous to give his little psycho-drama an audience.
Well As I See It Lets Get Our Money Back Or Lets Go And Have Them All Arrested And Get It Back as a Condition Of The Final Out come. They Can Pay Us Or Pay The fines And There Attorneys Some One Should Do Something To these Criminals
ReplyDeleteDemocracy Does In Fact Rule By By McCabe A Real Loser Beat You Imagine What The Voters Think Of You
ReplyDeleteJack, please please run for town board. I have never met you, but if 3 people such as yourself were ever on the board I know that things would be done right. I would beat the pavement for you and help out your campaign regardless of which side you were on, even if it was your own side and not one of the major party's.
ReplyDeleteJust one more thing Jack, when you got elected you wouldn't have to give me any type of repayment for helping you that is not what I'm looking for (hand outs or favors) what I would want from you is good sound government though and I know you would give that.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you say, Boys and Girls? In line with what Jim C. says, is it possible to put together a ticket for the next election which is not aligned or beholden to either "Machine" and free to do good government for all of us? They'd probably have to function as a "minority" for a couple of years, but make a record of what would be possible when the Town would be rid of the Machine control. Jack's right about the current culture belonging to the last century. We have a chance to make a change.
ReplyDeleteIt is very possible.
DeleteThe way to start is to begin a strong public focus on the two major party leaders: Democratic Chairman, Phil Malone and Republican Chairman,Chris Defruscio.
Attend their Party Committee meetings, ask them what their personal positions are on issues such as a financial recovery plan, a Town Ethics Board, sewer money oversight...
Get a sense of what their views are on the future of the Town etc.
A public focus on the two party leaders might empower the currently ignored Party rank and file to begin to ask some questions and call for some alternative viewpoints to be considered in Party deliberations.
If these viewpoints of the rank and file are ignored or dismissed by the two EG major Party Chairmen, you would then have the makings of a third party movement in EG.
Nice thought....never going to happen. Defuscio and Phil will never allow that to happen ~ ever. There's not enough support for a "third party" candidate.
DeleteGenesis.....Pretty sad commentary on Town government then isn't it? These two (the Party Chairs, whoever they are), in effect, run the Town. No wonder we are in the pickle we are in. Yikes!! Just think of the brain trust they bring to the task. Party "hacks" are going to make government/tax policy unless the people take back the government.
DeleteJust like across the river. Once the "disease" gets established, it takes a lot of effort to get rid of it. But it won't happen at all unless we make an effort.
Gadfly...
DeleteOf course the commonsense and simplest scenario would be that the respective Party Chairs and their two Committees determine it would be in the best interests of BOTH their Party AND the Town to nominate and actively support candidates who believe in open government and prudent fiscal management.
Hey, ya never know...
To Deputy Supervisor Ed Gilbert:
ReplyDeleteMr. Gilbert what is your position, and what do you recommend to the Supervisor and Town Board, on the OSC's recommendation that our town seek a legal review of getting the stipend and other improperly awarded tax money returned?
Do you agree or disagree that the recent resolution to grant elected officials like the Supervisor and Tax Collector more of our tax dollars via sick leave incentives and longevity pay increases was a good thing to do?
Thank you for your always thoughtful response.
to 9:45 AM What do you mean-"a recent resolution to grant elected officials like the Supervisor and Tax Collector more of out tax dollars via sick leave incentives and longevity pay increases"?
ReplyDeleteI thought that money was to be RETURNED.
No. The money for 2012 was returned because they were caught trying to get the sick leave money with a slick resolution after they had an audit saying it was inappropriate. There are many prior years for which the no money was recovered. The OSC suggests that the Town go after the money but no sign of that yet.
DeleteWell gadfly thanks for the opprotunity to blog i never had before and really think a change is needed to bad people dont say what they really mean see ya seems like rick still has imput
ReplyDeleteThere is a saying among homicide cops:
ReplyDelete"Everybody counts or nobody counts."
Around here the exact opposite is true. Around here George Orwell's line from one of his book is most appropriate:
"All animals are equal; some animals are more equal than others."
Both quotes show us why people like former judge Shilling thought it was okay to fix tickets. These quotes show us why the former supervisor thought it was okay to give himself, his daughter and his friends taxpayers' money. It fully explains why jobs go to only family members and friends instead of to the most qualified.
Around here the only thing that counts is political connections.
And that's precisely and exactly what is wrong with our town.
The single exception has been Rick Matters. All the other politicians from both political parties operate, as Jack Conway so well stated, exactly the same. They are in it only for what benefits they can take for themselves and their families.
That's what keeps Mike O'Brien, Joan Malone and many, many others - from both political parties mind you partisan fanatics, in jobs that provide nothing to the benefit of taxpayers.
It is too soon to tell if voters have had enough. We'll get a better read on it in a few months.
Anon 8:52. I disagree regarding Matters. His silence is his acquisance. He did not support any candidate in the last two election cycles and he votedfor the raises for elected officials. The only meaningful thing he has done in three years is champion ethics.
DeleteWhat is going on with Teagans, and what is being built in place of the fish fry business?
ReplyDeleteSomeone told me today that senior citizen housing is being built in EG, but he did not know the location. Does anyone know?
i hear teagan's will be a retail building with a restaurant and covered deck and the fish fry a diner.
ReplyDeleteMr. Gilbert: somewhere along the line you got accused of being a front man or something or another for the supervisor.
ReplyDeleteI noticed that you are avoiding a simple but I guess politically tough question about taxpayers getting their stipend and other improperly given away money back.
Did you notice the sentence by the author of this article about leaders making tough decision and choices? If you missed it how about re-reading it?
Our town desperately needs a new vision and leaders who will deliver that new vision. Can you be one of those leaders come this November? Not in my world if you keep ducking simple questions like what was asked just up above.
When is the Rep Party going to get a REAL leader, one who can be trusted and understands politics? I would like to see Mr and Mrs Grant take the job. Does anyone agree? If so, let's get started. I am a follower not a leader, however, I am loyal.
ReplyDeleteANYBODY but Chris Defruscio please ! He has dragged the Repub. party to the bottom of the swamp. His allegiance to Cristo alone is enough to send him packing. Good Grief !
DeleteI like Mike Cristo and would vote for him for ANYTHING! I know he is a friend of Defruscio, but most of us have a screwball friend. It's too bad we can't all be perfect. Dear Genesis, for whom would you vote?
ReplyDeleteMike Cristo's problem in the "mind" of some Dems is that after he was brought into the "inside," he discovered some of the mischief going on - and blew the whistle. He chose honesty and integrity over the blind loyalty which characterizes too much of political life.
ReplyDeleteAnon 4:23 PM I didn't know that. Good for him. That fact should get more publicity. We need more like him.
ReplyDeleteThere has to be someone better than Defruscio ! There just has to be. Opinions on the former Town Board member certainly vary. You may like him, feel free to vote for him. I personally think he was a bad decision for Town Board. He did absolutely nothing while he was on the board. He has no accomplishments to his credit. As far as his honesty and integrity - that is clearly in the eye of the beholder !
ReplyDeleteHe was the liason to the DPW and never walked thru the door of the Town Garage. The scrap apparently went missing on his watch. That fact combined with his apparent demolition experience and familiarity with the scrap industry leads to many unanswered questions. Defruscio had no clue either.
He allowed Defruscio, his best friend, to literally run wild , a man who had zero experience as a supervisor , let alone any real word experience to lead the DPW.
You may disagree with me, but you asked me. That is my response. Perfection again, is in the eye of the beholder.
In case you haven't figured it out yet, Genesis, the Dem Machine runs this Town. Little can be accomplished without the permission of the Boss. There are connections which run to the Albany Machine and the Assembly and the Gov. (Take a look at who has friends where. And who shows up at golf outings.) Mr. Matters is a single voice, but nobody is all over him for not introducing the second coming of Jesus Christ. Why is all the heat on Cristo for not bringing on the Millenium? Minorities can only do so much, and there is a strategy (which Langley hasn't learned yet) which must be followed.
ReplyDeleteIn line with what Genesis and Gideon say......the old faces in government around here need to GO, They've been feeding off the public for too long. The dollar bills are dripping from their chins. Machines suck money from the public, no matter which political stripe. Look at the Town Hall roster. Look at what the current Board did to re-direct illegal money to the Supe and Receiver into "legal" money with the Resolution mentioned above. And we get the tax increase to fund it and the pensions that go with it.
ReplyDeleteGenesis 7:27 PM If I remember correctly, a mother asked Mike for help for her child. Her child was on the receiving end of bullying, and the mom asked Mike if he could do anything to help her child. Mike had a "No Bullying in Renss County" law passed.
ReplyDeleteI realize that was the County and not the Town Board, but in my mind, that may have been the most important thing Mike accomplished in his political career. I am speaking as a parent, the most important job of all.
No argument 4:15. A truly great feat.
ReplyDeleteGenesis is not off base. Christo put his friend in charge of DPW which is the crown jewel of town jobs. He is just as guilty of nepotism as anyone else. Genesis raised other valid points and for us to ignore them makes this side as guilty of ignorance as the other side.
ReplyDeletea more important point is, who cares? The guy isn't involved in town anymore. He isn't on the board or a candidate so who cares? Why do they keep beating the dead horse with Christo and Tailor? Attacking the inconsequential is a waste of time.
Gilbert--he sticks his head out like whack-a-mole which makes him open game. Why bother attacking history, Christo and Tailor ran, it is done and over.
anon 12:13: You just restated one of the original points of the article on this thread - both of the current major parties are pretty much the same and not in a good way. You lost me at: with this or that person gone, who cares. We should all care because the mechanism to do the same bad acts over again still exists. The holes were never patched, there are no internal controls, no appropriate ethics law, no leadership and none on the horizon.
DeleteThe Gadfly has been very kind in posting my thoughts, perhaps I'll try to think of a new way to state this problem every week or 10 days so we can stop loosing focus. Maybe the Gadfly will post at least a few of them.
Have a good day, ya' all.
Agreed anonymous 12:13, the same could be said with Defruscio the former DPW comish, people are bashing him and his credentials. What about the DPW comish before him? Where are his credentials, all of the so called happenings did happen under his watch.
ReplyDeleteBashing each other gets us nowhere. Would things have been different under Taylor - Cristo? We will never know, they didn't get elected.
The original article on this thread agrees with you that the major parties are the same and not in a good way. You lost me with who cares. We should all care. We are embarking on a $14 million project with virtually no responsible leadership. We still have no internal controls, no ethics law, and an anti-open government Town Board. The bad things from the past can happen again only in a bigger way. WE SHOULD ALL CARE!
ReplyDeleteRight Publius.....we should all care. "We still have no internal controls, no ethics law, and an anti-open government Town Board." Jack Conway can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think one of the central requirements which is in most local government ethics laws is that NO political party committee member may be a Town officers or appointed employee - or some such permutation. This is supposed to protect the governmental mechanisms from being "bought and paid for" arms of local political parties. What have we got? The Chair and Secretary of the Dem Committee are Board member and Town Attorney Secretary respectively. A while back, I think the Finance Officer and Comptroller were on the list. This cuts both ways for both parties, by the way.
ReplyDelete$14 million bucks is a lot to be able to spend without some reasonably independent internal controls in place. Recent history supports that conclusion.
Send your stuff Publius. You're right on target.
Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.
ReplyDeleteOur town has quite a recent history with DPW Commissioners. Pete Partak is the guy who, on his watch, "lost" the gas records and wiped the department's computer hard drive clean. Ever wonder why that might have happened?
ReplyDeleteDeFruscio has not in office very long. He had a harassment charge brought against him and the town (meaning we taxpayers) bought him off with a financial settlement.
VanWormer was fired as a cop for sleeping on the job and using the town of Rensselaer's computer for personal business. His bar was fined for serving under age people.
That, taxpayers are the people our town boards put in the highly responsible position of head of our DPW. Are you full of confidence yet in the town board's other decisions?
Ginny O'Brien's husband is collecting money from taxpayers. So, too is Phil Malone's mother. Is your confidence in our town board growing?
Keep all this in mind. This same cast of characters is a out to oversee about $14 million of our money on the waste treatment plant. Taxpayers should NOT feel good about the ability of our town board to handle that responsibility any better than all these other sad examples.
Dear 5:21 PM
ReplyDeleteIt gets even better.
The harassment charge involved DeFruscio and VanWormer.
Publius---It seems there has been a misunderstanding and it is my fault. When I wrote who cares it was meant as in, why continue to malign Christo & Tailor. They are not running and do not serve on the board, heck, Tailor never served. Why continue to attack them? To attack the acts of the past boards I understand but why continue to attack the individuals that are not and certainly individuals that have never served. If we want to get technical, Tailor who never served did more to uncover the mischief in this town than any of those that did serve and were paid for their service. To continue to attack people who no longer run or are involved, especially personally attack them. My belief is we should learn and know the history and know those who served well and those who served themselves from there we study the acts of those currently serving and those running and compare their acts and ideas to those in the past that didn't work. But who cares about the people that have dropped out of the political game? Why keep attacking them if they are no longer involved?
ReplyDeleteHopefully, this clear up any misunderstanding.
Sure, fine with me and in keeping with my point. Lets stop bickering about who did what when and start fixing the circumstances that fester in Town government leaving us open to improper behavior on the part of public officials.
DeleteHELP WANTED: Our Commissioner of public works Dave VanWormer has posted a job opening at the DPW this week. So if you are a friend of Dave VanWormer or Phil Malone and looking for a really great job opportunity go to Dave VanWormer and fill out a job application. Be aware that the successful applicant must turn their soul over to Phil on their first day of work and pledge to be a loyal servant to Phil and obey his every command. Republicans need not apply.
ReplyDeleteHave no fear 10:03 PM
ReplyDeleteSupervisor Langley will make sure that the most qualified person is hired at DPW. He and Commissioner VanWormer have developed a strong working relationship that has greatly benefited the Town of EG.
You can count on Keith!!
I have all the confidence in the world that Commissioner VanWormer will not be pushed around by Phil Malone and tell him to save the taxpayers money and hold off on hiring for this year. Dave always has the taxpayers best interest in mind and would never agree to hiring someone knowing the difficult financial situation the town is currently in. Dave stands up for what is right and won't play politics. He is certain to agree with the Supervisor on this one.
ReplyDeleteIts real simple - if there's a current deficiency or lack of workers that would result in others working overtime, its always cheaper to supplement the workforce rather than fork over premium pay to "senior" workers. If they need to hire to get the work done, so be it.
ReplyDeleteDear 8:44 AM
ReplyDeleteYou obviously know nothing about hiring and the expenses associated with adding staff.
There is a balance point where overtime is actually far less costly than the staggering cost of benefits - health care and pension. Those costs are roughly double the wages paid. Some overtime can be justified given these staggering benefits costs.
Adding staff, when it comes to the combined cost of wages/salaries and health and pension benefits needs to be done with great care.
However, the real analysis has to be one where the productivity, scheduling and work force analysis comes together to support decisions to hire or to use overtime to get the work done.
Thanks for your comment...Anony @10:24. The comment from Anony @8:44 clearly demonstrates why decisions are so poorly made around here. Your last paragraph contains the material necessary for good decision making. I fear that it will be a tough fight however, since workforce/workload analysis would strike at the heart of a political patronage system which lies at the foundation of political machines. Every workforce "hire" has a financial "tail" made up of pension and other benefits which carry costs to the taxpayer which last the lifetime of the "hire."
ReplyDeleteNew york state has addressed retirement with Tier 5 and tier 6. I beleive health care does now have several steps for payments for town employees.
DeleteDear 10:48 and 10:24:
ReplyDeleteDon't forget Supervisor Langley has had extensive experience in the private sector conducting a detailed work force analysis on multiple projects, prior to becoming Supervisor. Throughout his term, Keith has been patiently instructing Dave about how to run the DPW for the best interests of the Town.
Have no worries. Keith is on the job!!
The supervisor shouldn't have to be showing Commissioner VanWormer how to do his job. Our town board MAJORITY should have put someone qualified in the position to begin with. VanWormer's own people smile to his face, and then tell people he wouldn't know which end of a shovel to hold let alone run the department. He has no idea as to what he is doing and never will. Just a political hack.
DeleteVanWormer has been around long enough to learn, but hasn't. His problem is he thinks he knows it all, but doesn't. His reality is he is to stubborn to learn anything. All he has learned is how to answer to Phil Malone, and done that at the tax payers expense.
DeleteMake no mistake about it, the DPW runs VanWormer because he doesn't have the ability to run it.
It's amazing what you hear at the morning coffee stop.
actually Phil malone runs VanWormer
DeleteIt's the constant struggle in government management - making good business policy and decisions as opposed to "good" political decisions. It's the fight between the "Party" and "all the People." Our government has been captured by the politicians - from the State level right down to the Town and Village. Mr. Malone's statement at a Board meeting this year continues to reverberate - "we're the Majority and what we pass, passes." And Chris D. would say the same thing.
ReplyDeleteThe only way out of the woods is to remove control from those who would operate in this way. It can be done. Jack Conway had some comments a while back about the current operation being run on values from the past, which don't work any more. He's right. Phil and Chris and their followers are anachronisms. Enough already.
Mr. Gadfly: You have been clearly critical here outlining all that is wrong in our town government. Are you able to clearly identify the people whom could bring about the change to cleanse our Town Board from your implied anachronistic behavior? If you have the vision, please share with us your makeup of the ideal Town Board. Perhaps Chris and Phil can learn from your wisdom. Respecfully yours
DeleteSo you want me to supply a "kiss of death" list for the Machines of both Parties to start working on? They won't go softly into that dark night. I know I few I'd trust. Do you have any?
DeleteI also know a few I trust. Some have already run, others would not have anything to do with it. Can't blame them.
ReplyDeleteTalks is claiming McCabe has a "fraudulent 5". What are they talking about? The OSC audit proved everything that was said, and proven in FOILs was 100% on the money. How insane and delusional are those people? Even after the OSC audit they STILL deny any wrong doing was committed. They took the money and they took in a way that violates the rules of law that govern public funds. That's it, the OSC said pay it back and those people still think they were somehow wronged. Unbelievable. They should put a big iron fence around this town and call it The Hospital and Living Quarters for the Insane & Delusional. They need a team of German doctors to study and diagnose those freaks.
ReplyDeleteI think it is the "DEMands" blog which purports to be "anti-Malone" which printed something about the "fraudulent 5." That said, you're right about the fact that OSC cited the law about the stipends issue and recommended that the Board seek the recovery of the unlawfully disbursed stipend, longevity and sick-leave payments. To this point, we have seen no action from the Board. It's a matter of character and competence, as I see it. But the fact that OSC cited the applicable law means that the Board can't just ignore the matter and hope it goes away. Take a look at the comments at the very beginning of this post to see the relationship of what should be recouped to the tax increase imposed for this year.
DeleteI would call them, "The honorable, ethical or conscientious 5."
ReplyDeleteThank heaven we have some courageous people in this Town. If McCabe goes forth with legal action, we will see what a FRAUD McCABE HAS BEEN!!!
I can only imagine what else the HONORABLE 5 know.
I seriously doubt that Mr. McCabe has grounds for any legal action. First, he was a public official. Second, all the documents which were involved in the stipend matter came from the Town's own records, and some were in his own handwriting. Third, the matter of the unlawful longevity and sick-leave payments to the Supervisor and Receiver of Taxes was brought forth by OSC itself as a result of its own review of the Town's financial practices.
ReplyDeleteThey should be called the "FAB 5"!
ReplyDeleteIt is on DEMands. DEMands and talks are all the same. Alot of blow hards with no substance and alot of fabrications.
Dear Gadfly 9:31 AM
ReplyDeleteMight be a good time for the prospective candidates for both town and county office and their Party leaders to state their positions on this issue.
What say you...
Ginny O'Brien, (current TB Member and rumored candidate for County Legislature);
Rick Matters (current TB member and rumored candidate for County Legislature);
Phil Malone, (EG Democratic Chairman, current TB member,and rumored candidate for Town Supervisor in 2015);
Debbie DiMartino (Republican TB Candidate and sister in law of former Fire Chief and alleged recipient of unauthorized benefits Ed DiMartino);
Randy Cherubino, (Republican TB candidate and nephew of Joe Cherubino aka Rick McCabe's best friend and golfing trips master);
Joe Slater, (Phil Malone's newly appointed Democratic Party Vice-Chairman and rumored Democratic candidate for TB or County Legislature);
Chris DeFruscio, (EG Republican Chairman, former EG DPW Commissioner, cousin to Joe Cherubino and Randy Cherubino and recipient of multiple truckloads of clean fill from the Hampton Lake reclamation project... courtesy of current DPW Commissioner Dave VanWormer);
Toni Murphy, (EG Tax Collector and recipient of unlawful longevity and sick leave benefits, rumored to want JUST one more term as Tax Collector);
Linda Kennedy, (EG Town Clerk and recipient of unlawful sick leave benefits, allowed to run unopposed in her last election);
Keith "the silent" Langley, (rumors persist that he plans to quit his post as Town Supervisor after the election, if the Phil Malone Democratic candidates are successful).
To quote Dr. King: "Only in the darkness can you see the stars."
Well, nobody asked but here's just one voter's opinion
ReplyDeleteO'Brien - flaming hypocrit. Fake photo op specialist. Husband has a useless, pretty much fake job in town hall.
Matters - faded the last few years. Got blown away when Cristo and Danaher bailed on him. Good guy otherwise.
Malone - arrogant. Has contributed not one thing in his current term on the town board. His mother has a good paying do nothing job in town hall. Automatic disqualifier for any future office, in my opinion.
DiMartino - can she help taxpayers get back the taxpayer money her brother-in-law allegedely stole? If not she can take a hike.
Cherubino - same old good old boys and girls club.
Slater - good guy right up to when he linked arms with Malone. The jury is still out.
DeFruscio - the leader of nothing. The Republican Committee is a non factor. No one will ever forget or let go of the Martha letter fiasco.
Murphy - nicest smiling, sweetest little stipend graber you will ever meet. When do we get our stipend and longevity money back Ms. Murphy?
Kennedy - nice lady.
Langley - leadership is a zero - a big fat zero.
Of everyone listed the one with the most potential promise, in my opinion, is probably Joe Slater. How connected or disconnected he makes himself to Phil Malone will be the make or break decision for my vote. The rest are pretty much useless in terms of being given taxpayers' trust, confidence, money and, most importantly, vote.
That's all just one voter's opinion.
12:28
ReplyDeleteThere's been much more than a couple of truckloads of fill delivered and dumped at the Defruscio used car lot. I was there the other day, it's at least couple of football fields full. Must be nice. Check it out, the lot has more than doubled in size.
His lot and the burned out house to the rear are complete eye-sores. One neighbor complained to Langley and the Building Inspector and got nowhere-( surprise!)
DeletePeople must remain aware that Langley is so far up Defruscios butt and Cherubino will always side with Defruscio because they're family.
7:17 AM
DeleteThat would be Building Inspector Joe Cherubino.
The domestic partner of Town Supervisor Keith Langley's new town book keeper and cousin of both Town Board candidate, Randy Cherubino and used car lot owner, Chris Defruscio.
This is what passes for good government in East Greenbush.
Hey, 2:27
ReplyDeleteSame goes for Langley Lane.
To 4:35 PM
DeleteAre you kidding?? The Town named a street after Keith Langley??
Demands and Talks are NOT the same. Not even close.
ReplyDeleteDEMands and Talks are close enough to be fraternal twins.
ReplyDeletenor is talks Alot of blow hards with no substance and alot of fabrications.
ReplyDeleteInteresting conversation around the water cooler today. Word on the street is the county democrats are putting together a slate of candidates to take control of the county legislature. It seems a strategic plan has been being worked out for the past year, and they are ready to go. They were saying they are very confident and being backed by a very wealthy group.
ReplyDeleteIf that's the case the DA will have to be recusing himself a lot more, and we'll be paying for even more special prosecutors.
ReplyDeleteagain, there's nadt illegal in
Delete- putting together a slate of candidates to take control of the county legislature
- working out a strategic plan
- being backed by a very wealthy group
now is there?
Nah.....nothing illegal at all in that. It usually starts when the "very wealthy group" starts getting what it paid for.
DeleteThe county has long suffered from heavy handed management by the former chairman and his head henchman Rich Crist. Word has it that Ginny O'Brien has no intentions of sitting on the minority at the county and wants the deck stacked in her favor. She will likely tap her gal pal Mangold to push for a takeover and could care less what happens in the town because they have let philly boy run amuck. The dems have done what they always do, created a big mess and are running to another place to ruin that. Phil is about to learn that its lonely at the top. Power has gone to his head and is feeding his addictions! Revenge is for suckers and they all suck. btw, if you think the eg dems are nasty, wait til the gop fights gob! ouch
ReplyDeleteOur county legislature needs a shift in political majority as well as our town here in East Greenbush. You see , political change allows for different points of view to be realized, and this would create a fairness for us all to experience.
ReplyDeleteOur forefathers intended for this process to be our guide to govern when they formed their vision of our democracy by which we live. Our system doesn't need to be changed as much as the current majority's do.
It's really not that complicated, vote for change and create the long overdue balance we deserve and desire. Throwing anonymous rocks at our local government officials is not the answer. I'm fairly confident that much of what is said here would not be something any respectable person would say to another person face to face. A little respect really does go a long way. The nasty comments expressed here need to be be changed as much as our current town and county majority's. Create change the way it was intended, get out and Vote.
Dear 4:34 PM
ReplyDeleteIt's too bad Keith Langley can't be both our Town Supervisor AND our County Legislator.
Keith would get the County headed in the right direction just like he has done for the Town of EG.
That's a great idea. To bad we couldn't go back to the way it was handled back the early 70's when Rensselaer County was served by a board of Supervisors. Think of the savings to the taxpayer cutting out all that expensive level of bureaucracy.
DeleteLast Saturday at the East Greenbush Little League Parade our new Senator Marchione and Phil Danaher, our longtime legislator turned out to support the kids. These two fine elected officials were joined by several Democratic elected officials supporting the players and creating a sense community.
ReplyDeleteIn contrast, today's Advertiser features a paid Advertisement by Keith Langley with photo of himself and his hand-picked candidate for Town Board, Debbie DiMartino at the ballfield. Granted, Mr. Langley is a member of the Independence Party but this event was for the kids not Mr. Langley's self promotion.
I suggest that the two "I like Langley's" above tell their guy that it's not nice to disrespect the other elected officials. He cannot, as suggested by his likers, move up to the County without recognizing and honoring a non-political, community event.
I feel sorry for Ms. DiMartino. She is a novice and if elected, she might seize the opportunity to learn government. With Mr. Langley at her side, however, she is doomed. Mr. Langley had ample opportunity to learn government and either wouldn't or couldn't learn.
Dear 10:29 AM
ReplyDeleteKeith Langley has done the Town Of East Greenbush a great favor by letting everyone know he strongly supports the campaign of his friend Debbie DiMartino for Town Board by spending his own money to have a photo of both of them in this week's Advertiser.
We can count on Debbie, after she is elected to the Board, to follow Keith's decisive leadership for the benefit of all the people of East Greenbush.
Don't worry about Debbie being a novice.
Keith will patiently teach her all she will need to know about how things work.
Ms. DiMatino has an uphill battle. She will need to see if she can distance herself from her brother-in-law's alleged theft of taxpayer money in his former fire department role.
ReplyDeleteThat whole mess has been surpressed by the fire department to hide the truth from taxpayers.
Langley seems to think that all these fake photo ops will matter more than the lack of substance in both his job performance and in the quality of his picks for town board.
When you thought you have heard it all, just swing by the town dump. Joe the garbage guy is up there running for office, claiming he is running for Town Board and can easily beat Cherubino. Says Cherubino doesn't have a chance thanks to his uncle Joe. He also has a lot to say about DiMartino. Not very nice things either. So if you have about a half hour to spare swing by. Joe will tell you why you should support him and give you all the reasons not to vote for the republican candidates. By the way he also has a bridge he is trying to sell.
ReplyDeleteWho is Ms DiMartino? Your opinion-is she worth voting for?
ReplyDeleteMs. DiMartino has said, quote: "I will continue the work that Supervisor Keith Langley is doing..."
DeleteSo, if you think Keith Langley is doing an excellent job as Supervisor, then you should probably consider voting for her. If not, them you should probably consider voting against her.
To her credit, she makes no bones about it that she is a Langley loyalist and nothing else.
Nothing more, nothing less. She will do what Keith tells her to do. What that will be is anyone's guess.
In short,a vote for DiMartino is a vote for the Langley policies, whatever they are.
Maybe this campaign season will finally force Keith Langley to spell out what (if anything) he stands for on a number of important issues. Including, perhaps how he (Langley) feels about repayment of the illegal stipends and sick leave/longevity incentives.
Speaking about the town dump. My husband had to work this weekend and I had to reluctantly go there to empty the trash cans. I also over heard that joe guy telling someone he was running for town council, and asking him to help him at election time. He was more interested in talking to that person than helping me. By the time he came over to me I had already dumped the trash in the garbage bin. Sorry, but the dump guy just doesn't seem like someone I could vote for to run the town.
ReplyDeleteReally, think about it!
If the Republican Committee and Supervisor Langley believe that fake photo ops are a substitute for leadership, a vision for our town and real accomplishments he is, for my money and vote, going to be as disappointed as are the people who supported him expecting something to be different and different better with his election.
ReplyDeleteSlowly, but surely, taxpayers and voters are getting smarter. This blog, the Time Union articles, the OSC audit, Jack Conway's Ethics Board resignation letter and much more are showing voters what a bunch of fakes, phonies and frauds are running our town.
We need new and different alternatives. Is Debbie DiMartino such a candidate? We'll see but these fake photo ops fool no one.
Nothing fake about the Supe being out there at public events. It shows his commitment to his position as town supervisor. Big difference between standing out in front of the camera as apposed to hiding behind the blog throwing rocks at him.
DeleteDear 8:53AM
DeleteAgreed, there is a big difference.
The Supe does seems committed to be "standing out in front" of his own paid camera. Not so much a commitment to "standing out in front" of a NON PAID FOR television or newspaper camera though...
Hey 4:19 PM:
ReplyDeleteWhat you are saying runs contrary to Joe's vigorous claims that he does not campaign or play politics while working.
Is it possible that Joe is just another lying politician?
you easily take what one or two or maybe the same anonymous person as gospel while disparage Joe who sign his name.
Deletejust sayin'
I am May 2, 4:29 PM. I just heard that Ms DiMartino is a very nice woman, and she is also a Rep.
ReplyDeleteNow, I would like to know who Cherubino is.
I was just reading the EG DEMands blog. I honestly thought Anom May 2, 4:19 PM, on this blog, was a joke. I now realize it is not a joke, and it is not funny. Oh, Reps, please get busy NOW!
ReplyDeleteA little birdie is saying that if LaMountain helps Malone bring home the bacon in November that he will be the next Public works Comish.
ReplyDeleteSorry Worm your safety net lost. Do you think you are going to really be told the truth. There are many promises being made for this year.
I love how all you anonymous people take swings at everyone, big people you are!!!!
ReplyDeleteFirst off what does someones brother in law have to do with that person? What does Deb's brother in law have to do with her? So I guess we will now judge everyone by the actions of the relatives?
Second off I don't think that its listed in the job duties of the guys at the dump to throw everyone's garbage away for them, they do it especially for the older people as a courtesy. I could be wrong, but so what, wont be the first or last time.
When does the B.S. End?
I guess never
I agree with most of what you say here Jim. I must take exception when it comes to the transfer station. If removing garbage from residents vehicles is not part of the attendants job description, they should not be doing it for anyone.
DeleteMr Politico's selective assistance at the transfer station is all about securing votes for the Democrat machine. Older people vote and he wants them voting for the party he supports. Of late it appears as though he may be securing votes for himself.
You ask when will the BS end. Not until you stop where it begins. Become part of the solution, not part of the problem Jim C.
Jim, I think the concern is that Debbie DiMartino is very much a part of the exact same system that created and allowed to flourish the lack of accountability in the fire department. Do you know what has become of the missing money? I doubt it because it is all beung covered up by the fire department. That's OUR money, by the way.
ReplyDeleteThe frustration with the transfer station and with Joe Lamountain goes more to his shameless use of taxpayer paid time to lobby for his own and his political friends when he is supposed to be working followed by his strong denials that he does precisely that. People always react strongly to hypocrisy and, unfortunately, Mr. Lamountain displays it in great abundance.
Blogs are a way for people to vent. You know that. And that's the classic good news/bad news.
A lot of people insist on talking politics with Joe when they go to the transfer station. I know I'm guilty of that. One of the things that happens at the transfer station is that Joe and Reggie get to know so many people because they see them on a weekly basis. Joe talks politics with people who are 'political' but I've heard him talk about family with people, health issues with other people and so on. Conversation is a two way street. I've never seen him initiate a conversation about politics or prosyletize for the democrats with anyone who wasn't interested.
ReplyDeleteWorking at the transfer station is a virtually unique town job and one that has a greater frequency of interaction with residents than any other position. Joe and Reggie help people with their garbage because they see it as part of the job and, in fairness, because they're both nice guys. If the rumors are true and Joe is a candidate for the town board he must absolutely cease and desist from talking town politics while on the job. That was forbidden by the Code of Ethics drafted by the Board of Ethics and even though the current town board has no interest in ethics I trust Joe would follow an ethical course in that situation.
Jack: You just wrote a lot and said nothing. All I got out of what you said is that you encourage unethical behavior by engaging in political conversation with the transfer station town employees. Not everyone buys into your logic.
DeleteDear Jack:
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with almost all of what you have written in this post, particularly when you talk about Joe and Reggie being nice guys. They are also two of the strongest positive advocates for the Town of East Greenbush that I have had the pleasure to meet during my 25 plus years as a Town resident.
Clearly, advocacy for a specific candidate for office or a specific political party by a Town employee should never occur when that employee is on the job.
However, I am somewhat concerned with the use of the phrase "talking town politics," as I believe one person's political discussion is another person's First Amendment prerogative.
I look forward to our hammering this topic out on the "anvil of discussion" in the near future.
Be well,
Tom
Joe is, indeed, a genuinely nice guy and extremely helpful at the transfer station. No question about that.
ReplyDeleteAnd, from my and other people's observations of the employees in town hall Joe is following a well set precedent in doing way more talking than working.
He is a political hack for the Democrat party. Nothing more nothing less.
DeleteTo Anonymous 2:30 - There is a difference between talking politics on the job, which as Tom Grant points out, is a First Amendment right and using a town job to promote your own or anyone else's specific candidacy. And the difference is between ethical and unethical behavior, as I clearly described in my post. Your accusation that I am encouraging unethical behavior is inaccurate. It's funny that I said nothing but you had a problem with what I said.
ReplyDeleteYou said you were guilty of talking politics with Joe when you go to the transfer station. That is unethical for Joe to engage in any such conversation. Anything that comes out of Joe's mouth relating to politics is a slanted view supporting the Democratic Party.
DeleteWho the heck is Tom Grant? He sounds like just another Democrat operative.
How does Tom Grant sound like just another Democratic operative to you? Because he mentioned the 1st Amendment?
DeleteJoe has been spewing his distorted political views nonstop since Cristo/Taylor ran a few years ago. Joe is talking out of both sides of his mouth. For those who are not aware, Joe and Dave our overpaid DPW commissioner are both active on the East Greenbush Democrat Committee. Yes that's right folks, on the Dem. committee and expected to work for it while on duty or off. Who is kidding who?
ReplyDeleteAnd Randy Cherubino and Debbie DiMartino are both active on the East Greenbush Republican Committee led by Chris DeFruscio. Yes that's right folks, on the Rep. committee and expected to work for it and Chris D. while on duty or off, if they get elected. Who IS kidding who?
ReplyDeleteIn the interest of clarity and fairness, isn't the same true of Mangold, Malone and O'Brien?.....Devotion and loyalty to the Party and the Machine that put them in place??? Good grief!!
DeleteIt becomes even more dangerous when the Party loyalists of either Party are those responsible for over-seeing the disbursement of Town funds - like the Comptroller. We've had that in the past, to no good outcome.
Randy and Debbie are not town employees. They are not on the taxpayers dime like Joe at the dump and the overpaid Commish of Public Works Mr. politico Dave VanWormer. Randy and Debbie aren't kidding anyone.
DeleteThe comparison between the past commish's of public works and the current one over on the demands blog is hilarious. This current Comish wouldn't know which end of a shovel to hold let alone run a department. He has no idea what he is doing and is just plain to lazy to learn. He has his own people snowed including Langley.
Agreed 11:26 AM:
ReplyDeleteThat's why it's always important to closely examine the antecedents of all the candidates and their potential governmental appointees.
Should we be taking a closer look in EG.
ReplyDeleteCity of Rensselaer
The city's public works commissioner resigned following a three-month investigation into allegations of payroll padding, city officials said Wednesday.
Commissioner Tom Capuano resigned Monday after running the department for eight years, Mayor Dan Dwyer said.
Capuano allegedly approved paying public works employees for hours not worked. Dwyer said the employees left work early but were paid for a full day on the job.
"I had to have absolutely positive proof it was going on. I did an investigation and came to the conclusion that there was something," Dwyer said.
It has not yet been determined how much money was involved, the mayor said. "There was a lack of oversight," Dwyer said regarding the payroll situation in the department.
Capuano could not be reached for comment. Capuano has worked for the public works department for 31 years. He earned a salary of $61,516 as commissioner, according to the 2012-13 city budget.
The department has 33 full-time employees and two part-time employees, according to the city budget.
City Attorney David Garvey is reviewing Rensselaer's legal options on how to proceed. The case has not yet been turned over to police for investigation.
Councilman Dominick Tagliento of the 5th Ward has assumed the commissioner's responsibilities and, the mayor said, has taken immediate action to correct the situation.
The Common Council will decide whether to keep Tagliento or hire a new commissioner, Dwyer said.
Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/DPW-chief-quits-after-inquiry-4479884.php#ixzz2SPbUyVQJ
Yes, maybe the event in Rensselaer is like an event in East Greenbush called "lunch day". My understanding is that on lunch day a vendor who does business with the Town provides "free lunch" and all of the DPW crews are called to the garage to enjoy.
DeleteYou are right 3:34 PM and guess who has been the guest of honor at at least three of these free lunches? Our very own Supervisor, Keith Langley. Talk about "having it your way."
DeleteGood morning Don ! Great job with this blog ! I would like to say a few things in regards to the Tom Grant ( the elder } post . Mr Grant are you for real ? form what I under stand you and your wife are part of a group called the reformers . Knowing all you know , the state this town is in how in Gods creation can you speek about JoeLa Mountian in a positive light , Mr Grant do you realize that Joe La mountian is part of the Democrate comm. here in East Greenbush and his main focus is to make the town residents that use the town transfer station think ! That all the town problems belong to somebody else , Mr Grant you Know better then that ! The Democrate party has been in control for over 12 years in this town . Mr Grant you sound like an IDIOT ! please for give me ! But everybody needs to under stand just because Mr Grant signed his name to his post does not make it a creditable source of information . Its just a fool that that took the political bate form another fool . Joe La mountiam is a political Hack for the Democratic party ,and he gets paid for it with the tax payers money . the end !
ReplyDeleteDear Gadfly: There is no question that you express a commitment to seek a responsible government for the town. It is said that the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and end up with the same result. With all due respect there is a pattern to your approach.
ReplyDeleteYou and your followers are quick to be critical of the Supervisor without consideration of his minority position on the Town Board.
Most will agree that stipends were wrong, and longevity and sink pay benefits were handled incorrectly in the past. But that was the past, and the future is what is important now.
Wasting time and taxpayers money on legal fees to try and recoup money that will never be collected is a wasted effort.
Why not get behind the Supervisor and support Cherubino/DiMartino. Give them a chance to get this town on the right track.
Keith Langley is a good man and I supported him during his campaign and continue to do so now. I ask you to do the same. You would get a lot further ahead working with him, and at the end of the day our whole town would benefit. Please stop this negative crusade and work together.
Quite frankly, I think it's insane to continue to "roll over" for the majority, thinking that in doing so they are somehow going to like you and permit you to accomplish a positive agenda. Ms. O'Brien fired the first shot before Mr. Langley took office in lowering his salary. This put the minority in a dither, rather than formulating a strong counter agenda. As Mr. Malone says, the majority will do what it wants to do. In some cases it is important to make that "doing what it wants to do" very public.
DeleteCan you define for us what Supervisor Langley has accomplished?
ReplyDeleteCan you do that and exclude those things the town has forced to do by the state and by citizen activism?
Can you explain why Supervisor Langley reduced the principles of open government at town board meetings?
Can you explain why Supervisor Langley has failed to produce a financial turnaround plan for our town?
Can you explain why Supervisor Langley cannot articulate a vision and goals for our town?
Can you explain why Supervisor Langley votes with the majority 99% of the time?
Support is based on achievements not fake photo ops. Please try to figure that out sometime before election day if you want support.
Rock on there negative crusader. You have a great sence of humor.
DeleteI think the Supervisor is doing a great job considering the bag of sh#t he was handed when he took office.
DeleteDear I Support Langley:
ReplyDeleteI am confident that Supervisor Langley would grater support if he were more of a leader qnd more of q communicator.
I suggest to you that his allegince to Messrs. DeFruscio and Mulvey are less a part of the solution and more a part of the problem.
I suggest to you that engaging the former supervisor, Mr. McCabe as a consultant was not a wise thing to do if support from non Democrats is important.
There's more but Supervisor Langley uses not having a majority as a convenient excuse for his own leaderaship shortcomings. That's my view anyway.
DeFruscio is doing a great job. Mulvey who? He's history. As for Rick McCabe, he's a great guy with a lifetime of accomplishments. That's my view anyway.
DeleteNot having majority is not a convenient excuse, it is a political reality. You obviously do not understand local politics. It takes a great deal of patience and understanding to create effective change. Politics is a complicated process that you must experience to understand. Being a previous school board member I can speak from that prospective. Things aren't always as they may seem. Try to be more objective, you can learn more with an open mind.
DeleteOk, you don't like the questions about what Supervisor Langley has accomplished or failed to accomplish. Understandable. He has not done very much and he does not have a majority. Fair enough.
ReplyDeleteLet's ask a different few questions.
What would be Supervisor Langley's legislative agenda if he had a majority of the town board? What would be his priorities? What would be his goals?
Dear 7:33 pm-
DeleteThanks for the terrific post. You have really hit the nail on the head. I'm looking forward to hearing or reading Supervisor Langley's answers to your questions.
7:33 PM
DeleteWell done. The great thing about this is when Supervisor Langley responds, we will be able to compare his priorities and goals with those of the Town Board majority. This might help us to better understand the complicated political process 10:47 AM says we must experience to understand.
Chairman of both parties have skeletons on their closets. Both parties need a thorough flushing and to start anew.
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