Thursday, February 27, 2014

Stakeholders and owning the governing process



There was a time a few years ago when a Town Board Meeting had an audience of maybe three to five people.  Jack Conway, Ann Taylor, me and sometimes Rick Matters and Bonnie Lester.  No sign of Mr. Langley, Mr. Gilbert or Mr. DeFruscio - ever.  Citizen involvement grew with CARES and The STORY of EG, and massive amounts of work was done by lots of people in exposing the mischief of the last administration which contributed in large part to its demise.  Ethics reform would not have happened without the effort of citizen stakeholders.  There's a long list.  To try to control the relationships and contacts of this active group is to invite defeat.  Jack put it well in referring to the taking of a scalp.

It’s becoming clear that the new administration knows that it has a marketing and public relations problem.  But their way of addressing it is making the problem worse.  Mr. Langley and his assistants have been “aiming” at the very people who created the context which made it possible for Langley, Matters and DiMartino to be elected.  And the attempts at demanding loyalty rather than earning loyalty began over two years ago.  It didn’t work then, and it won’t work now.  Some of the attempts at “control” have put a face on the administration that even the most insensitive ham-handed politician would run from.  Attempting to control contacts between friends and colleagues in the name of “loyalty” is bizarre.  The administration should be working to demonstrate “loyalty” to those who put it in place, not demanding loyalty from stakeholders. 

And then there’s the “Attack Blog” – EGDemands.  How libelous attacks and cartoons bordering on the pornographic supports a positive image of the administration is beyond comprehension. 

We learned from Dwight Jenkins’ interview with Mr. Langley what the Supervisor’s agenda was.  And that’s supposed to be it?  The fact is that a couple other people created the Majority, at least in part based on promises published in the Advertiser during the campaign.  That majority was created by the voters who are stakeholders. 

When advice comes to a leader only from those who agree with him or behave as sycophants, leaders paint themselves into a corner and cannot lead.  This is particularly dangerous for those who have absolutely no experience in governing a municipality.  They should be welcoming and inviting questions and good counsel.  Not to do so creates suspicion, not confidence. 

I know for a fact that over two years ago the advice was offered that there should have been a transition TEAM made up of stakeholders to fashion a workable agenda and implementation timetable.  This is possible even for a minority.  This advice was rejected and replaced by the “loyalty” and “refrain from associating” demands.  Well, now there is a majority.  And there is still time ……

77 comments:

  1. Hans Christian Andersen wrote, 'The Emperor's New Clothes". The story is based on a blind loyalty that is bred from fear. In the end, a child shouts out the truth, that the Emperor indeed has no clothes. At that point, the crowd begins to slowly chant the truth, the Emperor has no clothes yet the Emperor continues to pretend he is wearing clothes. That is the very abbreviated version but it seems to work as a nice example of what is happening here and now. Blind loyalty that is bred and cultivated by bullying and harassing never sustains. People push back.
    To the Gadfly--I remember the Brd Meetings when it was only you, Jack Conway and I sitting in the audience. That was quite a few years ago--10--15 years ago. Admittedly those meetings were much calmer but the current participation and interest is much better. Besides, it's nice to have so much company at the Brd Mtgs now! Those were the days Rich Reilly served and Bob Angelini was Supervisor. I have to say however, those were also days with more civility and courtesy and that I do miss.
    Ann Taylor

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  2. Great post. It would serve Mr. Langley (DeF) well to read it carefully.

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  3. I appreciate the fact that Dwight shared the information he learned but a personal meeting with one citizen is no substitute for sound public policy. The Supervisor's public persona is quite contrary to policies required in running a viable democracy.

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  4. Tom Grant , the elderFebruary 27, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    Dear Gadfly:
    Thanks for the post. The general public has had the opportunity to hear and read about the agendas and proposals of Councilpersons Mangold, DiMartino, Matters and Malone. Curiously, Supervisor Langley has avoided articulating his agenda or vision of how he plans to govern the Town of East Greenbush over the next 22 months. I would encourage Mr. Langley, if his is able, to follow the positive example of his fellow Town Board members and (to quote the Gadfly) "fashion a workable agenda and implementation timetable." The taxpayers of East Greenbush deserve no less.

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  5. "They should be welcoming and inviting questions and good counsel." I believe they are. That are just not interested in what you (DJ) have to say. And BTW you had zilch to do with "developing the context " of any thing. No one ( except your small circle of readers ) gives a rats behind what you think. But keep preaching to your choir I'm sure they enjoy it. You're a pompous ass and if anyone needs to be told they are wearing no clothes it is you. Publish or don't I really don't care I'm just talking to you anyway.

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    1. If you're REALLY talking to me, why not drop by for a chat? It does seem that I have made the points I set out to do. The response has no content.

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    2. Anony at 5:21......You really don't get it do you? You and your "buds" have manufactured a crisis for yourselves in the Bunker. The paranoia and bullying are palpable.

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    3. @ 5:21 PM, Way to win friends and influence people (not).

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  6. Supervisor Langley- Be prepared to talk at each Town Board meeting about what you stand for and show some respect to the voters by answering their questions. It's really that simple. Refusing to speak and answer questions from voters and other board members is not going to get help you on election day. More and more people are starting to talk about the possible reasons for your continued silence. Why not speak up?

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  7. Somewhere along the way, the politicians (and that does include all of them, not the ones just in are town) have forgot who gave them their jobs, and who they actually serve.

    To me it would do the administration well to listen to the people, they might find they get some help with some stuff, and maybe make a few friends along the way. They will get nothing from bullying accept some pissed off voters that will remember them come election time and vote against them.

    Well anyways just my opinion.

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  8. Mr. Langley might want to consider who might be interested in replacing him as the Rep nominee next time around. Someone who could articulate a vision as to what he/she would actually do with a majority in concrete terms. Not just retreat to the Office and demand "loyalty."

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  9. Rep. Chairman DeF won't allow anyone to replace his good friend Keith Langley.

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    1. Perhaps Chairman DeF should consider that the voters trump his control. Particularly if there is no record to show for four years in the chair.

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  10. DeF doesn't believe the Supe.needs to have a record to run on. DeF is going around talking about having a "group" of "old East Greenbush families" support the Supe's reelection. He is convinced that this fantasy old EG family group will trump any issues that either the Dems or the reformers might raise. That is how bizarre this is getting. Deb and Mary Ann didn't sign up for this strangeness... .

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  11. Jim_C - I totally agree. People representing the new majority are constantly harping about how they won the election and implying that the rest of us should either shut up or go away. My response is if you won the election, start acting like it. Show some confidence in your people and faith in your plans. Listening to people is only threatening if you don't think you can handle the questions. It would be easy to engage with people who care about the town, start a dialogue and bring them into the process.

    You can win a hundred elections but that only puts you in charge, it doesn't make you a leader. It's time for leadership and the best place to start would be to restore the question and answer format during the public comment part of town board meetings. Show that you care about your constituents' concerns and believe they have a right to learn about the things that matter to them. And show them that you have a solid plan to move this town forward. That would be leadership. It's still early but so far the new majority is showing the defensiveness of people still searching for a leadership style that works for them.

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  12. Welcome back to Kevin Tuffy and Rick McCabe. Go Dems.

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    1. Perfect opportunity for Langley and the SWF to move to recoup the Sick Leave/Longevity and Stipend from McCabe and the Stipend from Tuffy.

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    2. Don't forget to add Toni Murphy to that list. Didn't she take approx. $27,000 ?

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  13. Talks has a comment about Ann and the next election. First off Ann has her own last name and she likes her name. You can call her Ann Taylor or by her maiden name which is Ann Murphy. Those are the only last names she has ever had and will ever have. Second, there is no interest whatsoever in running for the next election or any other. Ann is just as interested in who the next candidates will be as you are. The reason I know all of this is because I am Ann. My married name, Taylor, or my maiden name, Murphy, are the only last names I have had and will ever have so feel absolutely free to use either of those when referring to me. Regarding the next election, if Talks has a candidate such as Cheryl Vallee, many Gadflies, including me, would be very interested in seeing her succeed. She has budget experience and leadership experience which are qualities a representative needs. Gadflies are non-partisan. For example, I have conversed with Phil Malone during the past 2 Board Mtgs and each conversation has been very pleasant and professional. So if you have a candidate with strong credentials, and the right credentials, we are more than happy to support them.
    Ann Taylor

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    1. And Ann Taylor, that is the point of this conversation we should be able to support who we want when we want, or we should be able to have a conversation with who we want when we want, or we should be able to invite to are houses who we want when we want, without being bullied into something.

      As I said in my last post maybe instead of trying to fight people on stuff they should ask for some help. I for one would be willing to help out in any way possible and so would all of the gadfly's if it was beneficial to the people of this town.

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  14. Anon 2/28 at 7:14 a.m. Former CP R. Matters disappears from politics in 2014. His wife recovers the ball by winning election in 2013. She forms the new Repub majority with KL and DD. Many town employees, including Joan Malone, suffer the devastating loss of their jobs and wages and now Phil Malone loses his position as Democrat Town Chair as if all of this is HIS fault. But to discover WHO has wreaked all this havoc on the Dem party in EG, look no farther than to the new "man"agement. If not for him, R. Matters would have run for the county legislature and won (Mangold lost anyway); his wife would not have run at all, and the dems may have been able to hold on to their JOBS and their majority in 2014. Though PM may have had a hand in it, he didn't master-mind the fall of RM in politics, which brought in his wife. The credit for that goes entirely to the new "man"agement. You figure it out.

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    1. Let me know if I've got this right. You're asserting that it was the "new Dem management's" mischief in messing around with Rick Matter's job in the first place that caused the Dem loss in 2013? Works for me. "Geniuses" on both sides of aisle I guess.

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    2. 807, no, it's not right. 1122 asserts that the Dems have something to do with the behavior of both Matters.
      Rick Matters started on the road to destruction when he did the wrong thing. What he did is theft of services. Who brought this to the attention of authorities is irrelevant.
      Maryann Matters was free to run or not to run. There is no political rule that says you must run if your spouse screws up. I hope she ran because she wanted to do good for EG and keep her promises. We saw some signs of this at the Feb. Meeting. Press forward Ms. Matters, God speed.
      I'm with the Gadfly, let's follow the suggestion of OSC and recoup the stipends. In fact, let's weed out all of the wrongdoing on both sides of the aisle.

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  15. Anon 3/1 at 8:07 a.m. You have it exactly right. But for the Dem "mischief," as you put it, RM would be occupying a seat on the county legislature today, his wife would not have run, and Mangold would be right where she is, back on the TB. Instead, RM's wife, who was full of rage over the despicable thing they did to her husband behind his back, ran in his place and the Dems lost their majority to another smartly run "Matters" campaign. Had MAM not thrown her hat in the ring last July, the Repubs were actually stuck for another candidate on such short notice, so Vallee may have had a shot at winning.. In their infinite wisdom (not!), the new Dem managers lost their 14 year long majority by conspiring to screw RM. They also lost many town jobs for many people who will never recover from their losses. And now, the very man, who perpetrated this devastation upon the Matters, has shoved PM aside, like the loss of the majority is all HIS fault, and declared that he's taking over. But hasn't he really done quite enough? The Dems would be better off with PM. As least he hasn't royally screwed them...yet...with a VERY bad decision that cost them everything..

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    1. If true 11:22, that was an unintended good result. I have very high hopes for Mary Ann Matters. Her husband, Rick Matters', parting gift to the taxpayers of EG was to convince Supervisor Langley to cast his vote with him in favor of a tax increase that all of the taxpayers of EG are now paying for.
      Mary Ann Matters has the potential to be a great improvement over Rick Matters. In fact, she would be a viable candidate for Town Supervisor in 2015 for the Reps instead of Keith Langley. I hope she seriously considers it.

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    2. I'll second the motion for M A Matters for SUPE instead of Langley.
      She doesn't seem to be afraid to speak up at Town Board Meetings, unlike Langley. Anyone but Langley in 2015.

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  16. I would love to see the townspeople be able to make a petition that demands someone be investigated by the state. With enough names the state should investigate and recoup any money or property stolen by the public officials or employees. That way those in local govt that don't care about theft because they know the guy are excluded from the process and then the town pays the bills from the state since they didn't care in the first place. Thus giving the power back to the people when wrongdoing occurs. Let's face it, there is no accountability in govt at the local level. It takes massive amounts of fraud to get anything done. Meanwhile towns absorb huge losses from graft and thievery and no cares cause it wasn't there administration or there problem. That should be something the governor should have the power to do. That way we can further reduce taxes and such by eliminating the graft and malfeance that town officials refuse to do anything about.

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  17. The fact that the "new" Dem leadership is in place demonstrates that the local Dem party really doesn't understand why it lost the last two elections. One of the guys you just gave credibility is the cause of your loss. Don't you get it???

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  18. Anon 3/1 @ 7:46 p.m. Do you mean Phil Malone? He doesn't give the Den party credibility, far from it, but he's not the reason they lost the last election. Their "new" town chair is the reason. Don't you get it? Now, Malone, the scapegoat, has been shoved aside and the new guy is coming in to play the closer? Delicious! More like the poser if you ask me. The Dems are in peril.

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  19. My mistake, I thought you were supporting our party with the way Ann Taylor spoke of Phil. Kevin, Rick and Brian are getting us all organized to take back over. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I won't try to advocate for our party on your blog again.

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  20. Anon 3/2 at 8:53 a.m. The fact that you're on this blog means that you're open-minded. Never remove yourself from the discussion, no matter what blog you're on; your contributions count. That being said, you said some interesting things. Firstly, no, I don't support the Dems anymore. The Dems are responsible for the horrible financial condition of the town. We can thank Rick Mc for making things financially much worse during his tenure. Second, Ann Taylor is not a Democrat. She is seriously anti-KL but she is going about it all wrong hitching her wagon to her new "representative," (her word, not mine) Phil Malone. Phil, Kevin, Rick and Brian used the one brain between them to lose the majority for the Dems, so why would anyone trust them to get the majority back? If they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have lost it in the first place. They shot themselves in the foot when they butt f''ed RM behind his back (cowards!). Had they not done that, they might have been able to eeek CV across the finish line and hang on to our majority. Now they have two Matters very much involved in town politics. Get it? They could have had none, but now they have two. Brilliant strategists all! Their political prowess is amature at best. So they are the "team" we're placing our confidance in? If so, we better get used to being in the minority 'cuz we're gonna be there for a long, long time.

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    1. @ 10:19 AM (Chris?), I was wondering where you've been. Nice try with your patented attempt at misdirection. KL must be getting worried if he's allowing you to use his initials.
      I agree with you about Mary Ann Matters, she would be a much better candidate than your KL.
      Perhaps a fusion ticket of Mary Ann Matters, Cheryl Vallee and Ann Taylor might be the ticket for 2015.

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    2. 1019, yes, I get it. In fact, I get it every time you post it and I still disagree with you on most of your hypothesis. The Dems didn't cause for RM to do the wrong thing. Only Rick Matters can be held responsible for that. Rick Matters is entitled to speak to elected officals and be heard (like all of us) but he should not have any special role in this government. I will never forget seeing him give Keith Langley the instruction to raise our taxes for this year
      As far as the Dems go, I agree that they are vunerable based on pas badt acts, but unless the current Supervisor straightens out stipends and works in a trransparent way on finances, they could indeed be returned to power.voters will be forced to choose who will do the least harm.
      ANother possible solution is for the Reps to nominate someone who is willing to do the hard work of governing. .

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  21. MAM I have serious doubts about. In December she was dead set against approving the Repub Party Chairman for a paid position for the Town. January comes and she is driving his wagon and approving his paid job. MAM has lost a certain amount of her own credibility and some hopes that she would be an independent thinker.
    Ann Taylor is anti-KL and for obvious reason. KL should be scurrying around and prohibiting her from associating with certain people. KL is a bully, that is pretty clear. Ann Taylor can certainly talk to Phil because like it or not, MAM and anyone else, Phil IS one of our representative in Town. MAM is NOT our only rep and since she was not good to her word with regards to job appointments, she does not deserve blind loyalty....as KL demands and apparently MAM too.
    Ann Taylor did not she supports the Dems, she did say she would like to see Cheryl Vallee. And hey, who knows, if the Dems back someone with the right credentials such Cheryl Vallee than they deserve support. You have to remember Ann is not a Republican and she doesn't blindly follow KL or MAM. Ann would support the right person and KL is not it and even MAM is losing it. But Ann isn't interested in being on a ticket again. You're barking up the wrong tree with that.

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  22. It's very telling that the one constant in many of these posts is the growing opposition toSupervisor Langley (DeF) having another term. The base of support Langley received in 2011 of reformers, old guard Republicans and disaffected Democrats appears to be diminishing on a daily basis. Looks like Langley (DeF) had better shape up quickly or be ready to ship out in 2015, if not earlier.
    As another blogger has posted, not good Mr. Langley (DeF), not good at all... for you.

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  23. 5:53pm....I think you have it analyzed correctly. DeF and Langley have yet to understand and appreciate the concept of "political base." It was a collection of reformers, old Guard Republicans and disaffected Democrats who elected Langley and his recently elected majority. The Langley "base" is not an unquestioning loyalty to the Supervisor, but a coalition of values aimed at change in the way governing is done in EG. The sooner the boys get that message, the better for their future in government.

    I'm also getting comments that "the Tuff" has a plan. I think the problem "the Tuff" group has is that one of the big reasons there are no AUDs and audits yet is that the financial records from the previous administration seem to be in such disarray that massive amounts of "compilation" need to be done in order to make sense of them. Not a good omen for a reprise of that bunch.

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    1. Another problem that (as you say) "the Tuff" has is that he and the "McC" have is that they owe the taxpayer some stipend and sickleave/longevity recoupments. What could the Dems have been thinking? Must be all about McCabe's need for some sort of vindication. He's lucky he's not in deep trouble.

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  24. @ 7:46pm, Two questions: 1. Why isn't Langley and his SWF majority looking to recoup the stipends and other unauthorized monies? 2. What about the unauthorized monies paid to the Building Inspector who is a good friend and golfing buddy of people mentioned in the OSC Audit as well as a neighbor and cousin of the Rep. Chairman? That's about $10,000 worth.

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  25. Concerned In E. G.March 3, 2014 at 6:19 AM

    There may be hope for the Republican Party in 2015 after all! There is movement by a respected group of concerned citizens to get Tom Grant (the elder) to run for Supervisor of East Greenbush. Tom could bring Republicans, Democrat, Conservatives and Independents together.

    Tom, there are a of people in your corner. I hope I'm not letting the cat out of the bag! If I have, or you are not ready to announce, plausible denial works for now.

    Stay well!

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  26. Tom Grant , the elderMarch 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM

    Dear 6:19 AM (Chris?):
    As someone previously posted... Nice Try.
    I have absolutely no interest in running for the position of Town Supervisor.
    Period.
    All the best,
    Tom

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  27. What Do You Say....March 3, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    I agree, Tom Grant would be a great choice to represent the town as part of the board. I'd like to see Tom as a Council Person, sitting along side Jack Conway as the newly elected Town Supervisor in 2015.

    Two strong choices to represent everyone in an intelligent and fair manner.

    How about it guys? The town needs you!

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  28. Tom Grant, the elderMarch 6, 2014 at 9:06 AM

    Dear Gadfly:
    Kudos to Pete Stenson for his excellent post in today's Advertiser, outlining the activities of the Town Board at its most recent meeting. I hope Pete plans on sharing his trenchant comments with us all on a monthly basis.
    All the best,
    Tom

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  29. I had no idea until I read Pete Stenson's Advertiser letter to the Editor that Keith Langley had used his majority to block two appointments that the Dems were ready to make, one to the Ethics Committee and one to the Citizens Fiscal Advisory Committee. This is an egregious misuse of his power and must stop. The Dems are entitled to their appointments and these Committee's are vital to the survival of our community. SWF you each have the power to stop this heavy handed opaque government and I ask you to do it now.

    The monkey business surrounding the pre-Board, the scheduling of meetings and the always late agenda could be fixed by some policies and procedures and a commitment to follow them. Come on, SWF, Keith is proving himself to be incapable. What about you?

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  30. One thing that Pete didn't mention, was the Stock Lane area switching over tho the General Water District. The fact is, Phil Malone wrote that Legislation after working with Water Foreman Tom Kennedy, for several months in 2013. Langley hijacked that bill from Phil, jumping in and sponsoring it, after Phil wrote it. Very dirty piece of politics by our leader. Wait and see, that will be one of his "accomplishments" on the campaign trail. Just remember who really got it done.

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  31. @ 9:08 the dems don't make appointments to the ethics board the Town Board does. As for the CFAC who cares they haven't accomplished anything since they were created. I don't really care what Sour Grapes Stenson has to say he's just another tool the Dem's are using to draw attention away from the many accomplishments the supervisor has made. I consider replacing the last comptroller with the current one a biggie.

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  32. Dear Ear:
    Another biggie accomplishment by the supervisor was the appointment of his current deputy supervisor.

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  33. Isn't it true the democrat party put our town over $2,000.000 in debt over the last several years of mismanagement? Isn't that what is really important to remember?

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    1. Yes it is true. And if the current supervisor had moved effectively immediately after taking office (even though he was in a minority) there wouldn't be the "new" old leadership of the Democratic Committee to deal with. Instead, he brought the former Supervisor "in" for a while as an "adviser." Go figure.

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  34. Dear Face:
    You are correct..It's also true the Supe is responsible for the town tax increase of 2014. Time for new leadership all around.

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  35. Dear Ear and 304: appointments are tasks. When all the tasks on a given project are completed, the goal has been reached. Reaching all goals is often considered an accomplishment. Although an appointment has the potential of being a good thing. it is not on it's own any type of accomplishment. At this point we havn't heard from Mr. Phillips;no audit, no financial plan, no public forums. What say you Mr. Phillips?
    As far as the appointment of Mr. GIlbert goes, I think most people who saw his toilet fetish displayed on Demands blog or witnessed his many displays of temper at Town Board meetings would agree that his appointment was a poor choice. Very poor choice, indeed, Mr. Langley, very poor

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    1. Who would you consider a good choice for the Supervisor to consider? Throw some names out there, you may be right.

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    2. @4:39 PM- Is it possible the Supervisor just doesn't have any "good choice" names that Mr. DeF will agree to? After all, he's refused to allow any new appointments to CFAC and the Ethics Board. I'm not counting the M. A. Matters appointment as Ethics liaison, she had the courage to push for her own appointment in spite of the Supe's deliberate inaction.

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    3. The Supervisor might consider some local attorney's with whom he should already established good relationships Most attorney's do pro bono work, are familiar with the concepts and would be proud to contribute. Our community is home to professors from local colleges, especially HVCC, who would be up to the job. Retired government workers and leaders from the many religious communities in East Greenbush are areas where good members could be found.

      It is unlikely that any person who's name was suggested on this blog would be favorably considered by the current majority. Let's leave it up to the supervisor. He can call for interested volunteers.

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    4. Tom Grant, the elderMarch 8, 2014 at 5:45 PM

      Dear 4:39 PM:

      I believe Phil Vecchio would be an excellent choice for the Supervisor to appoint to either the CFAC or the Ethics Board. Phil is an Attorney and a C.P.A. and is uniquely qualified by both character and ability.

      All the best,
      Tom

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    5. Phil, Sean, Don, Ann, and Maura would make a great CFAC team.

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  36. I agree that CFAC should be reconstituted but under the current system it will always be of limited utility. Because it is appointed by members of the town board it functions as a work group that supports the agenda of the board. This is important work but it doesn't provide the critical edge that a town with a two million dollar debt and junk bond status really needs. An independent Citizens Budget Commission that would monitor town finances and guard the interests of taxpayers would be much more effective in moving the town forward.

    Before the insecure centurions at the gate of the current regime start bellowing about how their democratic mandate means we the people should keep our opinions to ourselves, let me say that I don't propose a Citizens Budget Commission as a way of implying that our town officials don't know what they're doing. An independent set of eyes is always a good thing in fiscal matters and as taxpayers we have the right to monitor how OUR money is spent. Who knows, we might even come up with a good idea or two that the town board might review and decide to implement. Or we might discover improprieties as they happen instead of years later when all we can do is close the barn door after the horses have escaped. Call it a peoples' audit if you can stand my radical rhetoric.

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  37. Jack is absolutely correct in his perspective. The most effective Finance Committee that the Town has had was appointed by a brief majority and then kept an eye on the subsequent majority. It's work was the cause of its being disbanded.

    What's needed is a financially astute group which is non-partisan. Neither a rooting section for the bunch in power or machine gunners for a minority, but a work group to deal with fiscal questions and policy issues.

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  38. The Original GadflyMarch 12, 2014 at 4:53 AM

    Jack, why do you need approval or even agreement of the town board to have such a citizens group? With the cooperation of the comptroller and, if necessary, FOILs can't you achieve your outstanding goal right now? Your friend, Ray

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  39. Gadfly-It's very curious Langley has scheduled a special meeting of the town board for this Thursday at 4:30pm. Take a look at his proposed agenda posted on the town website.. Why couldn't these items have been part of the regularly scheduled town board meeting of next Wednesday? Seems like Langley is trying to even further limit public comment and scrutiny of what he is doing. What is he afraid of?
    Not good Mr. Langley, not good at all.

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  40. Since a number of concerned citizens are unable to be present at Mr. Langley's Specially scheduled Thursday 4:30 PM board meeting, due to work and other family commitments, here's hoping and respectfully asking if the Gadfly would be so kind as to record the proceedings of the Special Meeting for posting on You Tube for all town residents to see and hear.

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  41. it is very easy to figure out why the special meeting, they want as few people there as possible, because they are going to vote to authorize a settlement in the lawsuit filed against Langley. These people are downright dirty.

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  42. @8:41. It wasn't exactly a proposed agenda. It's just a list of items. There are no resolutions explaining the details about the items. Doesn't surprise me a bit. Langley is terrified when he has been asked to explain anything.

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  43. Langley is so "transparent" in his opaqueness.

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  44. It's even worse than holding a "special" meeting at an inconvenient time for the non-connected residents. Under the Langley administration, public comments have generally been prohibited at "special" meetings. In the past, "special" meetings were scheduled to allow the Board to address time sensitive emergency issues. It looks like Langley is now placing issues on a "special" meeting agenda that could just as easily be considered by the Board at next week's regular meeting in order to prevent the general public from commenting on any of the agenda items. So much for encouraging citizen participation.
    Why won't "Special" Supervisor Langley let the people make comments?

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  45. Did I read the board agenda right? Ed Gilbert is a Langley SWF Ethics Board appointment.

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  46. The trio in the corner office is really shaping up to be the gang that can't shoot straight. Gilbert (EGDemands) to the Ethics Board?? The "settlement" puts Langley in the stipend category with regard to squandering public money. Moving most of next Wednesday's board meeting to tomorrow might seem the "smart way forward" to them, but the fringes are starting to show.

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  47. No Questions plus No Comments = No Langley in 2015 (unless he can turn it around pretty quick).

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  48. To Anonymous who submitted a comment at 8:13am......Put some specifics and numbers in your allegation, and I'll consider posting it.

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  49. Here's the link to the YouTube video of the comment period from the February 19, 2014 Board Meeting....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L40gzhDjnkY

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  50. The special meeting has been postponed, due to inclement weather. What?? Rescheduled for tomorrow morning at 8:30. What??? They really don't want anyone to be there.

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  51. It will be three business days difference between tomorrow morning's meeting and the regularly scheduled meeting. If the TB is soooo concerned about this afternoon's weather, the weather tomorrow is likely to be about the same. What will be different. however, is fewer citizens available and no comment period allowed. Why the special meeting? A reasonable person can only assume that SWF Believes the cover-up ill cover their unsavory business. Honest citizens to SWF: the cover up never works! Not good, Mr. Langley, not good.

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  52. Came from the non-meeting an hour ago. Sitting here thinking: there's no way this meeting was cancelled due to weather, which is what I heard from the Town Clerk's office. Guys, it doesn't smell right. Sun was out, roads were clear thanks to the DPW crew, travel was not an issue. Tomorrow morning instead? Really? I thought we left the shenanigans behind. Please re-think your governing strategy. Dwight Jenkins

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  53. Thank you Dwight I saw you coming in after I aseked Linda Seeburg if the meeting was still on something stinks

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  54. The "geniuses" are attracting more attention by trying to avoid attention....go figure. The "advice and counsel" brain trust is in serious need of re-tooling. But what do you do with arrogance and paranoia in the same place?

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  55. Absolutely hilarious!! The guys with the big trucks and stuff can't make it because of the weather. And my wife is off to a movie in Albany. Gotta do better than that, guys. Credibility is fading fast. First rule....effective government is based on trust and accountability.

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  56. According to the Town Website as of Thursday March 13th at 10:20 PM tomorrow morning's pre board meeting (8:30 AM) and tomorrow morning's town board special meeting (8:45 AM) are still happening. Has anyone out there heard anything different?

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    1. Dear 10:26, Between when you checked last night and now, the announcement came down. What in the world does that mean???

      Good luck to the good folks going to Town Hall (I am going to work). Wear your flack jackets, it looks like you have been cast as the enemy.

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