I think
there are a couple of items to keep in mind while opposing the casino.
As you read this, please note that I am not opposed to siting a casino
in Rensselaer County, nor am I opposed to casino gambling. I understand
the impact it can have on a community and as such, am confident that it
is not a good fit for this particular location, but on the whole, I am
in favor of casinos.
Where East Greenbush is concerned, I am curious if people would be AS outraged if this proposal was made for acreage, if there was a sufficiently large enough parcel, on East Greenbush lands along the riverfront in an industrial zone. My gut says that people would be far less outraged. My point is that it is the specific location, in the heart of the town in a residential area that has inspired a number of those opposed to be vocal. We are agreed that the manner in which the vote was taken by the Town Board was wrong and that public opinion absolutely should have been sought. Moreover, the casino developers knew full well the deadlines and timelines for a proposal. They knew Saratoga was opposed and did not act for a site here in East Greenbush until the very last minute. If any one of us were to make a last minute appeal to the board for a resolution to get something we wanted, we would likely be told we have to wait until the next meeting and to schedule to be on THAT agenda. THAT is what the casino people should have been told. When they noted that they had specific time constraints, the appropriate answer was, I'm terribly sorry, you should have known better. Our government should not be made to jump through hoops to pacify the whims of educated people well versed at the development process... certainly not the likes of someone like James Featherstonaugh.
Couple of things to consider here as you make your case to oppose, and again, keep in mind I am not entirely opposed, but any good debate deserves its day in court and this effort will not succeed based on emotion, innuendo or speculation. It requires valid arguments that will be considered by the gaming board. Among them are:
1.) Economic need. East Greenbush is considered, for all intent and purposes, an affluent community. Just because we are 2 million dollars in debt, doesn't not mean we are an economically challenged community. Certainly Rensselaer has a much greater need for development than East Greenbush.
2.) There is a conflict of interest component to the decision that should not and can not be ignored. James Featherstonaugh has represented a number of people at the very top of State government including both Cuomo's, Joe Bruno, Sheldon Silver, Dennis Vacco. Whereas Governor Cuomo appoints the members of the gaming board, there is a conflict of interest between him and the individual who assembles the board. Beyond that, the East greenbush town board has Sue Mangold as a member who voted in favor of the resolution. Her brother Brian is building a house on adjacent property. If Brian Hart or any of his partners is involved in any way, with the LLC involved in the casino siting, there is a clear conflict of interest for her in her vote and could have influenced the decision of other board members to vote differently. That relationship needs to be clear, exposed and if it exists, the vote should be nullified and brought up again the proper way.
3.) SEQRA is going to be required for any project because it involves Federal data as well as local. There may not be enough time to properly complete the long form Environmental assessment forms required and address any of the concerns. Certainly, in that location, traffic will be a concern. Moreover, we are in the middle of a project to upgrade our infrastructure and our sewer plant to be able to adequately treat all of our existing effluent. We need to have projections done on the ability to handle all of our historic effluent PLUS existing projects in the works and then evaluate the impact of a $150 million dollar casino operation as well as the potential spin off development that might occur as a result.
4.) There is an existing agreement with the Oneida Indians to respect a distance from the Turning Stone casino. For that reason, a casino license could not be considered in Syracuse. Depending on what that distance is, it may dramatically limit the regions or locations for a casino. For instance, Howe Caverns may be too close, but Rensselaer may be far enough away. Certainly East Greenbush would be as well. We need to know the parameters for the siting criteria so we can all identify where a casino can legitimately go and then evaluate those sites independently. If East Greenbush is among the few potential municipalities that can site a casino, perhaps a broader look at the qualified sites is in order.
5.) Schodack has been asked, in the same manner as East Greenbush, to support the casino proposal in East Greenbush. Remember that the East Greenbush proposal comes with an option to purchase the Evergreen Golf course as an auxiliary portion of the proposal. If Schodack agrees, it could possibly put other sites in play in Schodack, so how the Schodack Town Boards drafts their resolution could dramatically alter the proposal submitted. The casino ADJACENT to the golf course makes much more sense than several miles away. Remember, the initial application was not for a definite parcel, it was for the potential operators to be identified. Operators can still shift to a location better suited for the siting criteria.
At the end of the day, our ire is likely more at the way the Town Board handled this than the reality of what is to come. Based on the siting criteria, if the gaming board sticks to what it has identified, East Greenbush is not the spot. That doesn't exonerate the board from making a hasty decision, but it does implore residents to make them fully aware of some of the variables that effect the decision. The county supporting casino gambling within the county is to promote economic development in a community within their jurisdiction that embraces it and NEEDS it. For the individual municipality to extrapolate a yes vote to mean anywhere is absurd. The siting board should be well aware and I doubt they will force this down anyone's throat, especially if it has long standing consequences for the Governor or anyone who helps site the casino where it is not truly welcome. As a Rensselaer County resident, it's hard to argue that on the riverfront in Rensselaer is NOT a good location. It might not be a bad idea for those oppose to be willing to acknowledge that opposition is not universal, but in the interest of the best location with the highest and best potential for success. One thing is for sure, a casino is coming to the capital region. It should be at the location best suited for that kind of development and given the data to date... that location does not appear to be on Thompson Hill.
Where East Greenbush is concerned, I am curious if people would be AS outraged if this proposal was made for acreage, if there was a sufficiently large enough parcel, on East Greenbush lands along the riverfront in an industrial zone. My gut says that people would be far less outraged. My point is that it is the specific location, in the heart of the town in a residential area that has inspired a number of those opposed to be vocal. We are agreed that the manner in which the vote was taken by the Town Board was wrong and that public opinion absolutely should have been sought. Moreover, the casino developers knew full well the deadlines and timelines for a proposal. They knew Saratoga was opposed and did not act for a site here in East Greenbush until the very last minute. If any one of us were to make a last minute appeal to the board for a resolution to get something we wanted, we would likely be told we have to wait until the next meeting and to schedule to be on THAT agenda. THAT is what the casino people should have been told. When they noted that they had specific time constraints, the appropriate answer was, I'm terribly sorry, you should have known better. Our government should not be made to jump through hoops to pacify the whims of educated people well versed at the development process... certainly not the likes of someone like James Featherstonaugh.
Couple of things to consider here as you make your case to oppose, and again, keep in mind I am not entirely opposed, but any good debate deserves its day in court and this effort will not succeed based on emotion, innuendo or speculation. It requires valid arguments that will be considered by the gaming board. Among them are:
1.) Economic need. East Greenbush is considered, for all intent and purposes, an affluent community. Just because we are 2 million dollars in debt, doesn't not mean we are an economically challenged community. Certainly Rensselaer has a much greater need for development than East Greenbush.
2.) There is a conflict of interest component to the decision that should not and can not be ignored. James Featherstonaugh has represented a number of people at the very top of State government including both Cuomo's, Joe Bruno, Sheldon Silver, Dennis Vacco. Whereas Governor Cuomo appoints the members of the gaming board, there is a conflict of interest between him and the individual who assembles the board. Beyond that, the East greenbush town board has Sue Mangold as a member who voted in favor of the resolution. Her brother Brian is building a house on adjacent property. If Brian Hart or any of his partners is involved in any way, with the LLC involved in the casino siting, there is a clear conflict of interest for her in her vote and could have influenced the decision of other board members to vote differently. That relationship needs to be clear, exposed and if it exists, the vote should be nullified and brought up again the proper way.
3.) SEQRA is going to be required for any project because it involves Federal data as well as local. There may not be enough time to properly complete the long form Environmental assessment forms required and address any of the concerns. Certainly, in that location, traffic will be a concern. Moreover, we are in the middle of a project to upgrade our infrastructure and our sewer plant to be able to adequately treat all of our existing effluent. We need to have projections done on the ability to handle all of our historic effluent PLUS existing projects in the works and then evaluate the impact of a $150 million dollar casino operation as well as the potential spin off development that might occur as a result.
4.) There is an existing agreement with the Oneida Indians to respect a distance from the Turning Stone casino. For that reason, a casino license could not be considered in Syracuse. Depending on what that distance is, it may dramatically limit the regions or locations for a casino. For instance, Howe Caverns may be too close, but Rensselaer may be far enough away. Certainly East Greenbush would be as well. We need to know the parameters for the siting criteria so we can all identify where a casino can legitimately go and then evaluate those sites independently. If East Greenbush is among the few potential municipalities that can site a casino, perhaps a broader look at the qualified sites is in order.
5.) Schodack has been asked, in the same manner as East Greenbush, to support the casino proposal in East Greenbush. Remember that the East Greenbush proposal comes with an option to purchase the Evergreen Golf course as an auxiliary portion of the proposal. If Schodack agrees, it could possibly put other sites in play in Schodack, so how the Schodack Town Boards drafts their resolution could dramatically alter the proposal submitted. The casino ADJACENT to the golf course makes much more sense than several miles away. Remember, the initial application was not for a definite parcel, it was for the potential operators to be identified. Operators can still shift to a location better suited for the siting criteria.
At the end of the day, our ire is likely more at the way the Town Board handled this than the reality of what is to come. Based on the siting criteria, if the gaming board sticks to what it has identified, East Greenbush is not the spot. That doesn't exonerate the board from making a hasty decision, but it does implore residents to make them fully aware of some of the variables that effect the decision. The county supporting casino gambling within the county is to promote economic development in a community within their jurisdiction that embraces it and NEEDS it. For the individual municipality to extrapolate a yes vote to mean anywhere is absurd. The siting board should be well aware and I doubt they will force this down anyone's throat, especially if it has long standing consequences for the Governor or anyone who helps site the casino where it is not truly welcome. As a Rensselaer County resident, it's hard to argue that on the riverfront in Rensselaer is NOT a good location. It might not be a bad idea for those oppose to be willing to acknowledge that opposition is not universal, but in the interest of the best location with the highest and best potential for success. One thing is for sure, a casino is coming to the capital region. It should be at the location best suited for that kind of development and given the data to date... that location does not appear to be on Thompson Hill.
Don, Regular Reader speaks for me. There is a lot of good information here. I'd like to see it in Rensselaer...they could use the revenue.
ReplyDeleteWith regard to Regular Reader's first point, EG is indeed an affluent community. The inter-fund debt and junk bond status that we "enjoy" is the result of incompetent and unethical municipal management. Mr. Langley is not helping the matter either by sitting on the audit process. The Town Comptroller "getting his mind around" the situation won't solve it. Getting a Casino on Thompson Hill won't solve it. Competent and honest management, free of "good 'ol boy" values and practices will solve the problem. Until we get municipal managers who know how to manage, we'll continue to get the same kind of performance we got in this Casino episode.
ReplyDeleteFrom the angriest blogger you hit ever point perfectly why don't you run for office
ReplyDeleteThe analysis from Regular Reader is right on the money. He/she belongs in office. The problem is that the "establishment" structure in both major parties in EG is populated with those interested in perpetuating the corruption which has made big bucks for them for many years. Just take a look at Thompson Hill. Building took place without a Plat approval for the development right in front of the noses of the Town Board and the Planning Board - even in the face of a complaint from Dwight Jenkins to the Board, Planning Board and PB Attorney and some other State entities. Talk about the FIX.
DeleteWhat we need is a total rejection of this modality, even if it is in the "best tradition" of NYS corruption. Bottom line is that it costs money, which the bunch is trying to cover right now with dubious Casino revenue.
Everyone knows the casino project in Rensselaer is by far the best option for the entire capital district. But only those in Rensselaer. As competing plans in different cities shows us that location location location is still paramount. The East Greenbush site is just plain horrible in a residential neighborhood not to mention the entire town board voted for it without public knowledge. The Albany site seems good but the officials have their worries with traffic. Yet the Rensselaer site is by far the best. We have to make the entire capital district and Upstate NY see that. But how do we do it.
ReplyDeleteFirst off we need to show that its not going to be a casino that is going to be built but the center of entertainment in upstate NY. It will be the hub to which all forms of entertainment branch out from. But how does it become a hub. First off its not a casino. Its a resort complex. It should have a hotel and marina plus the casino. The focal point being the resort not the casino. We need a cruise ship dock to allow cruise ships to go up the Hudson from NYC on weekend excursions. Ok not a full ocean going cruise ship but a possible steam boat or the kind found on European rivers like the Rhine in the summer. We also require a dock but at the same time station similar to the train station that allows tourists to either go to the hotel and casino or meet their bus or van going to another form of entertainment in the capital district. Imagine after arriving you decide to take a bus to Saratoga to visit the track or even take a wine tour or apple picking tour. You could also be bussed up to the rapids north of us or take a dutch apple cruise up to the falls or even thru the locks to Mechanicsville. There are so many forms of entertainment that can be seen.
But how do you get the entire capital district to go for Rensselaer? By incorporating the towns and cities along the Hudson to be visited by the trains and the boats coming from NYC to the resort. Give them tourism dollars the other places will never be able to give out. At the same time to Albany need not be forgotten. With the resort downtown Albany can be revitalized and more people can visit the aquarium, the Times Union Center. Where with the right backing we could host the new Albany Clippers. We could ask Donald Sterling to move the team to Albany and avoid the whole dreaded LA experience. Plus by even announcing the idea of the Albany Clippers you will get national buzz and get the ear of the Governor and everyone in NY state.
Finally how do guarantee Rensselaer will get something? First look to the building of it. Demand use of our restaurants and pizza joints as official caterers for the builders. Tuesday could be pizza day and all the pizza joints would make pizza for the crews. That way those who make the best pizza will have all their pizza eaten first. A bit of competition and keeps them honest. We could use those contractors and stores located in Rensselaer as official suppliers for certain items that a crew might need quickly. Imagine if we are building 24/7 and a Rensselaer electrical supply place stays open to meet their needs. Of course give Rensselaer citizens first crack at job fairs. Give the builders tax rebates for every Rensselaer citizen employed.
There are so many more opportunities for the building and for entertainment. What we need of course is more public ideas and engagement. Let the people come up with ideas for the building before its finalized. Get our ideas so we can make it the right resort. Not just any resort. We need a citizens panel to approve and gather the ideas so we can build the best resort the entire state of NY will ever see. It will be the premier place to visit. It will the hub of all entertainment in Upstate NY.
I sent this as a letter to Mayor Dan Dwyer. Good guy. Seems to waiting for Langley and the rest of the bunch to totally screw themselves over completely to then advise that his site is ready. The Rensselaer Resort works best for everyone.
Anonymous 6:46: This is really an excellent analysis so forgive me for dissenting from one part of it. I spent two years as a Visiting Professor of Anthropology and Native American Studies at Connecticut College in New London CT. Since the campus was close to Foxwoods Casino and Indian casinos really took off at that point I supervised a number of studies aimed at understanding the culture of casinos. I've probably spent more time in casinos not gambling than almost anyone because I was there to do research on the habits and social profiles of gamblers.
ReplyDeleteWhereas your analysis and so many others speak to the ancillary benefits of casinos the truth of the matter is they are first and foremost magnets for gamblers. The vast majority of people who patronize casinos are there to gamble, gamble, and gamble some more, often well past the point where it's emotionally or financially healthy for them (or us). While Mohegan Sun has had good success with their concert and entertainment venue that required an enormous outlay of capital that took them a long time to amass. For example, people hear about a 300 room hotel on Thompson Hill and think that means an increase in tourism when in fact many of those rooms are comped to encourage and reward excessive gambling.
The point I'm making is that there is always a dual aspect to a casino: one is the ancillary effects but the primary aspect is the gambling done in the casino. People who favor casinos emphasize the ancillary benefits while those who oppose them stress the problems associated with gambling. But one thing is clear: the gambling effect happens immediately while the ancillary benefits take a lot of time and money. In other words, the host community has to absorb a tremendous shock before most benefits can be realized.
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Churchill-Downs-joins-East-Greenbush-casino-bid-5474210.php
ReplyDeleteApparently they are calling in all sorts of favors to get this to happen. Yet Rensselaer isn't getting anything. I should hope that the Times Union Editor makes a judgement and comes out on the side of Rensselaer.
@ 2:36 PM,
ReplyDeleteHas there been any public comment from East Greenbush Town Supervisor Keith Langley about this? Maybe he's waiting for this Thursday's pre-board meeting to provide an update?
The only "public" comment from ANY member of the Town's administration appears in the e-mail exchange in the previous Post is which a Town Board Member is asked if the Board did any investigation about the impact of a casino on a community before voting on the Resolution on April 16th. The answer is clearly NO.
DeleteBy the way, I have FOILed for any materials which the Board may have consulted in preparation for its vote. How do you think that's going to come out? Have you ever seen such incompetence??
The TU editor will probably make a case for Albany. I just read the article tell me why 1700 permanent jobs. 5.7 million annual revenues and all the extra revenue from sales tax and property tax is a bad thing.
ReplyDeleteYou might try reading some of the articles linked on the following link:
Deletehttps://www.facebook.com/saveeastgreenbush
You're reading the Developer's hype.
Milford, MA has demonstrated a drop in property values. No one has calculated the cost of expanding the necessary infrastructure to support such a venture - fire, police, roads, etc. No one has done a traffic study. No one has done an environmental review. Studies indicate that the "projected" revenues are not sustainable - ask Saratoga. The list goes on.
The big problem is that the EG Town Board did NO research at all before voting on this. It was a scam job by the County Reps and the Local Dems who bought the whole load from Feathers and company.
NY State is way too late to the gaming table.. Turningstone is only 2 hours away, we will not draw from that part of the state. Our legislation provides for one downstate, will those people come this far upstate ? Doesn't Massachusetts have casinos also planned ? Fair bet that one of their sites when built will be in the Berkshire's.. Another area we may not draw from ?? Are we, or will we be beyond the saturation point and all the figures of huge windfalls to local government be figures that will never be realized ? Just another question that has not been addressed at all from what I see so far...
DeleteYour comments are right on point. But don't you think that our "brain trust" of a Town Board should have been discussing some of the same things before giving Rita Cox and Feathers cartre blanche to run around the Capital District touting a "5-0 welcome mat" for a casino in East Greenbush? We were betrayed by those who are supposed to hold the public trust. The only conclusion I can reach is that they are just not smart enough to understand what they did. No intellect or instinct to figure out what was happening around them. Bush league Neville Chamberlains. "We have met with Feathers and we shall be rolling in dough in our time."
DeleteA couple of comments from Jack Conway on Talks, reprinted by permission.....
ReplyDelete"There's no doubt that county republicans are in the thick of this and I have already called for Phil Danaher to resign as attorney of the planning board due to a conflict of interest on this particular project. But someone needs to explain why Phil Malone and Sue Mangold supported the casino resolution and have yet to announce they will sponsor a motion to rescind it at the May meeting. In the absence of those actions, the EG democrats have nowhere to hide when the fallout comes. The board voted 5-0, that's a simple fact. The "No Casino" crowd is becoming well-funded and well-organized and every conversation includes the conviction that anyone who voted for that resolution needs to go. If Phil and/or Sue have reconsidered their vote they need to publicize it because people who oppose a casino are drawing no distinction between them and the majority on this one. Nor should they since neither one of them fought for the public's right to speak on such a critical issue. I'd like to believe they've come to their senses but so far the silence is deafening."
"Anonymous 10:51: Sorry to disappoint but this isn't a difference of opinion it's a casino. The end of this town as we know it. A deal done in the dead of night with no questions asked. Anyone who supports it loses my vote forever. Not only that, I will actively campaign against anyone who continues to support the surrender of our town without input from the public. I don't care who that makes me sound like. Never cared before and don't care now. The fact that this process is alright with you makes your disappointment pretty easy to bear."
I think you will be seeing more of this idea in the near future, but its getting to be time for a new political party in EG. We've all been screwed over by the two establishments. Time for some people in power who will live by their campaign promises. This bunch does not deserve to be in office and "represent" anybody.
ReplyDeleteI am absolutely appalled by the actions of our town board. I came across some interesting/related research...economists have studied state corruption rates before and after legalized gambling. From the article "For states, gambling on casinos may be a bad bet" by Rich Morin at the Pew Research Center:
ReplyDelete"Walker and Calcagno say the patterns they detected are consistent with two leading theories to explain increases in corruption in casino states, and they suggest there’s more than just a correlation between the two. They say the increase in public corruption convictions before states approve casinos is evidence that the casino industry is attracted to states with what these researchers called an existing “culture of corruption.”
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/02/for-states-gambling-on-casinos-may-be-a-bad-bet/
First off you guys need to stop talking on these boards and start taking action. I talked with Mayor Dan Dwyer. I can't say much but one thing he did stress that if you guys want this to stop you have to have a petition. A small group meeting on the 21st and the times union will not stop this. The town board was well aware of the casino way before election day. Mayor Dwyer was warned they would do this and they did. You have too much money invested to stop this on the blog level or the facebook level. If you don't have petitions then you lose. Get out and get the petition or get nothing in return.
ReplyDeleteNot to worry Anonymous. Petitions have already started circulating. An opportunity to sign will soon be available at a website on-line.
DeleteThe Town Board's betrayal of the public trust will be answered.
I guess the question is whose hype are we going to believe? There is a group that wants to invest 300 million dollars to build a hotel and casino. Do you think they really haven't considered traffic flow? You cite milford MA as an example of how property values can drop . In the USA there are approximately 800 casinos generating over 60 billion dollars in revenues. What about Foxwoods which has increased property values.? You can rail all you want but I'm done turning up my nose at major developments I pay too much in taxes and will welcome the relief
ReplyDeleteNo....I don't think they have considered traffic flow. No study has been done. That plot plan can be dropped in any number of places. And the cost to the sewer infrastructure has not been calculated either, according to today's TU. The Town Board has absolutely NO idea as to the impact on any level that this facility will have on the community. It never asked the questions. It's THIS community that the questions need to be asked about and the numbers calculated. Nobody did that. Malfeasance. Period. You have absolutely no data that an establishment in EG will reduce your property taxes. Remember what the Lottery was supposed to do? Where's that cash?
DeleteWasn't FedEX going to reduce are taxes too?
DeleteBottom line nothing will reduce taxes in this area except of course a just and sound government. One that is ethical, and doesn't have their hands in the till every chance they get. A government that cares more about the people than themselves. Maybe someday East Greenbush will have that government, but not today.
Good for You
ReplyDeleteI live three miles from Thompson Hill. If a casino is put there do you really think I could put my house up for sale and get a fair price? The National Association for Realtors says that the number of potential buyers near casinos plummets because no one, especially young families with children, will buy a house near a casino if they have other alternatives. Property values may increase in Brunswick or Pittstown because County taxes may be less but they will be destroyed in East Greenbush. Do you want to hear the best part? You can't even rush and try to sell your house now because once a casino is a possibility the entire housing market is disrupted.
Foxwoods is on reservation land in the middle of nowhere. There is no comparison to be made between Foxwoods and Thompson Hill. We're in agreement that our taxes are too high but I have a radical proposal that's never been tried before in East Greenbush - good government!
@Good for you:
ReplyDeleteStudies Show Residential Property Values Decrease Near Casinos:
The MetroWest Anti-Casino Coalition points to two important studies that show unequivocal evidence that residential property values will decrease in communities impacted by the development of a resort casino.
The National Association of Realtors (NAR) recently released a study detailing that housing values in the subject region will likely decrease anywhere from 4 to 10 % per property. The NAR study also called the impact of casinos on the housing market "unambiguously negative.” The report summarized: “In
general, externalities of congestion and other social costs appear to have a negative impact on home values in the immediate area of a casino.”
These statistics are consistent with a comprehensive 2009 study that was completed on behalf of former Connecticut Governor, Jodi Rell. Through interviews with local elected officials in the towns adjacent to Foxwoods, the Connecticut study came to similar conclusions: property values are adversely impacted
when casinos are introduced to a region. The report acknowledged that eight years after the openingof Foxwoods in Connecticut, “during the revaluation in 2000, the value of residential homes along the highway was reduced by more than 10 percent.”
“Any suggestion by Foxwoods Massachusetts that your residential property values will increase is not supported by the data,” said MWACC Chairman Brian Herr. “When you site a casino near suburban residential communities, valuations immediately decrease throughout the region. Unfortunately prospective buyers will look elsewhere, obviously driving the market downward,” Herr concluded.
For a full reading of the study, please visit the following link: http://ims.rapv.com/documents/CasinoResearch-NAR.pdf
For a full reading of the Connecticut Study, please visit the following link:
http://www.ctlottery.org/pv_obj_cache/pv_obj_id_0BF9A380311922353B402B3C...
filename/june_24_2009_spectrum_final_final_report_to_the_state_of_connecticut.pdf
Above can be found at: http://www.hcam.tv/news/studies-show-residential-property-values-decrease-near-casinos
There you've got it, Good For You......a scholarly and professional piece of research on the issue you raise. Isn't that what the Town Board should have done before they blindfolded each other and pressed the "yes" button in the dark? Good grief!! What they did was beyond incompetent. When you put incompetence with political authority, I'd call it malfeasance. They need to fix what they did by rescinding the resolution they passed on April 16th, do their homework and submit the question to the PEOPLE of East Greenbush.
DeleteDo you think that if the general population knew that the real estate market froze up when the casino announcement was made they would be in favor of it? Do you think that this is why Ginny O"Brien decided to move out of town?
ReplyDelete